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What if everything you believed about spirituality was upside down?

In this episode, we sit down with Michael Monk: healer, teacher, and founder of the Avatar Energy Mastery Institute, to explore consciousness, energy, and the nature of our spiritual experience.

Together, we dive into awakening, the relationship between spirit and the physical body, and why Michael believes our human experience is far more significant than we've been led to believe. From the nature of consciousness and energy to out-of-body experiences, healing, and our connection with the divine, this conversation challenges conventional spiritual thinking and invites us to explore reality through a completely different lens.

This isn't just a conversation about metaphysics: it's an invitation to question long-held beliefs, embrace curiosity, and explore a new perspective on consciousness, creation, and what it means to be fully alive.

Topics We Explore:

• Michael's encounter with the voice of God
• Awakening to spirit and remembering our true nature
• Out-of-body experiences and consciousness
• Why the physical world is part of our spiritual evolution
• Energy, healing, and self-discovery
• Challenging conventional ideas about spirituality

Connect with Michael Monk: https://www.michaelmonk.bio/ 

Learn More about The Viking Academy: https://www.vikingacademy.com

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Episode Transcript: 

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Viking Academy podcast. This week on the podcast, we have Michael Monk. Now, he is a healer and teacher of spirituality, metaphysics, and energy mastery.

That's right, energy mastery. Um, we have an incredible conversation about what happened to him when he was a young man. Something that happened that just blew his mind away.

He was 25 years old and this experience he had with the creator talking to him shook him to his core and changed the trajectory of his life. Now the interesting thing here is that and what I really love about Michael is he's not your typical woo woo high pie in the sky guy. He's right down to earth.

We're dropping a couple fbombs. We're talking normal speak for a couple dudes having a conversation. But man does it get deep.

He turns he turns the conversation completely upside down where in most traditions and most spiritual teachings it's always the higher energy vibrations is out there and how everybody's pointing up to the sky and the creator's up there. He actually turns it upside down and his understanding is that the earth that we're in right now, the three-dimensional space, this hard part, is actually higher energy vibration than what's up above. it turns it right on its head and it's it's absolutely magical the conversation that we have.

Um I really hope you enjoy this conversation. I'm really looking forward to doing more for him. He's got lots of resources.

He's given me some resources to go and do some um exploration of my own in terms of energy vibrational uh healing within myself. I could be able to explain it a little bit more once I've done it. But for now, get into the podcast, listen to Michael Monk. him and I hit it off like a house on fire.

It's a lot of fun. And like I said, there's a couple metaphorical bombs in here that rattled my brain to make me totally change the way I'm thinking about this. I'm still processing it right now as I'm doing this intro.

Um, and so I'm really looking forward to seeing how this unfolds itself in my own exploration and my own self-discovery. So there you go. Without further ado, let's go explore.

Michael, welcome to the podcast, man. Thanks for having me, Eric. Blessed and honored.

Yeah, I um when I had the outreach came um that about uh having you on the podcast, something instantly clicked and I was just like, I really want to get to know this guy, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it probably means we already know each other in spirit. Very much. Very, very much.

Very, very true. So, give um so tell me a little bit more about your background and your your experience and what's led you to World War I. Talk about Yeah.

Yeah. So, I I'll I'll just lay out the framework of my story and then you let me know if you want me to zero in on on any of the experiences. So, I was raised religious, but I quit.

I was the first to back out. Black sheep of the family. Wasn't seeking anything at all.

But God sought me. Booming voice in my eardrums. Woke me up.

Telepathic presence inside of my head. Gave me a space to ask questions. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

When did that happen? 1999. 1999 that happened. Yeah. Winter winter of 1999.

Do you want me to tell the experience? Yeah. And how old how old were you then then?

Uh, let's see. uh 7 plus uh 25. So you were 25 years old when that happened? Yes.

And you so you were in you had you you were with so your family was very religious? Yes. And then you opted out of that when what age did you opt out of doing the religion?

About 17. Yeah. So 17 you said Yeah.

Okay. Because of hypocrisy. I was raised Mormon and they just they didn't treat people the way Christ treated people.

Right. Yeah. Right.

And so so you pulled so you you pulled the shoot from there and then in in and when you were 25 this happened. Did anything spur that on before you heard this? And and I definitely want to hear about the experience.

Like I'm very curious about that. No, nothing spurred it on. I'd never done a meditation.

Was never really one for prayer or anything like that. I wasn't seeking um I was chosen for this and the hindsight gives me the lenses. I'm really good at putting it in plain simple black and white language that anybody can understand.

It's very shocking and disorienting to a consciousness to have this type of of of experience. So I I don't think God wants to wake everyone up that way. It's better if they just hear it in good plain text that they can do meditations, prayers in their own time and instead of the door being blasted open, they can just, you know, creek it open a little bit at a time.

Yeah. It's like shock and awe. Boom.

Yeah. Boom is the word. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, what So, what happened?

Yeah. So, I'm watching a comedy movie, just mindlessly enjoying myself with my little brother. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, to be precise.

Yeah. And all of a sudden, this presence comes through my crown chakra. I'm going to use terms that I had no idea at the time.

So it comes into my crown chakra, rests in my third eye, and booms in my eard drums. And and I hear uh stop laughing, stand up, turn the TV off. So So I did.

And to query, who was talking to me? My grandfather was everything to me and passed away recently. I said, "Grandfather, is that you?" And the voice answers yes, but it's accompanied by a feeling.

Uh, electricity from head to toe, st hair standing on the end, chills up the spine, champagne bubbles of bliss up the front. I've come to call that feeling the Holy Spirit. And then uh there was like a query like like you're missing something.

And and I I felt my cousin too who had recently died. I said, "Cousin Jason, is that you?" Same voice. Yes.

Same feeling. Electricity, champagne, bubbles of bliss. So I said, "I'm I'm confused.

You're my grandfather and you're my cousin." Then my inner vision, as soon as I spoke, that inner vision replaced the outer vision. Outer vision gone. Inner vision all that is.

I see thousands, millions, billions, impossible to count, humanoid shaped uh light beings that were connected by little silvery threads all speaking to me as one unified voice. And my heart recognized what I was talking to. So I acknowledged it as God.

And it said, "You finally met me. I give you a space and time to ask questions." The nature of which I don't even remember. They were all biblical in nature.

And the presence was trying to lead me to something that I knew was greater than the question, but I didn't have the questions to ask at the time. o you're watching Fear and Loathing Las Vegas, which is hilarious movie if you actually like with your brother at the time you said. Yes. Yes.

Okay. And then you heard this voice and you got up, turned the TV off, stood up, and what did your brother what did your brother think at the time? What did h what did he do?

Uh booze from the peanut gallery. Yeah. No doubt.

Like Yeah. Like and so then so you heard so you asked the question, "Is this is this you grandpa?" Yes. Yes.

Yep. Then that feeling rushing through you. Then you asked if it was your your you said your cousin. cousin.

Your cousin. Yes. And you're like, "Wait a second.

If you're this and this, how can you not be right? How can you not be both?" Well, this is um See, now I'm getting downloads on this too because this is where I've been I've been having communications with people that have passed and people that haven't passed and I've had conversations and I've asked like, "Are you so and so?" And they're like, "Yes." I'm like, "Okay." And then a little bit later it's like, "But are you this person?" And then I keep getting yes.

Like I keep getting the answer yes. And so what you just expressed to me makes so much sense. Like yeah, if you never hear no, you're probably talking to God.

Uh okay, say that again. So if you ask and if you hear no no if if you never hear no you're asking all these queries as to who are you and the answer is never know then because God is the one consciousness that knows itself as all of us right oh no that that resonates and by the way just for you know I did not I've never had the experience that you just expla explained like I mean that I can I'm visual utilizing it as that's the boom uh the boom you know the boom you're ready for the you know so so it's coming to you in a smooth stream mine was an interruption uh uh uh you know and God's uh willing to do that in very small doses I've only heard the voice of God three times uh since then but the Holy Spirit has stayed with me um to guide me in in presence so I have a yes and no relationship and another way of describing that is a reward reward for correct thought or a warning for incorrect thought.

The yes slashreward for correct thought is to feel the Holy Spirit. The no slashwarning for incorrect thought is a slight fight uh feeling in the belly. Okay.

So then so you you've got your your yes no meter like you've got you've got your guy and you you liken that to the Holy Spirit which is the con but to the creator so that instead of Yes. Because you know everything that I've read and studied and meditated on is that the full grandeur and the ability to actually experience God in its fullness is beyond our capability. It's like too much to handle.

And so you get [clears throat] it this kind of so there's channel channels that he comes through and messaging like we're we're here like I see it everywhere like I'm start like my search for a higher power started in earnest like 18 years ago when I quit drinking and so I've been like just focused on you know seeking a higher power that's part of the 12 steps of recovery and so that's what I've been doing for the last 18 years is just seeking higher power right just seeking seeking it's not if I find him it's just the act of seeking and I shall I'll find is been my experience.

But this this this um having this communication with other spirits, it's like I always ask the question, I go, "Are you a messenger of God? Are you here to fool me?" Right? And and I'll get sometimes it's like, "No, it's like Loki like the thester god." He'll go, "No, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just [ __ ] with you." I'm like, "Okay, and this isn't this isn't God." So you're saying the same thing that that when you ask the question if you keep getting yes yes yes yes then you're you're talk you're you're communicating with the all the infinite intelligence the creator.

Yes. Yes. Well it's a great clue that you are it's not empirical but it's a clue drop.

Right. Cool. So then so you had this incredible experience that came out of nowhere.

It wasn't like you had a car accident or a near-death experience because I've talked to a lot of other people. I know of other people that have had these these major traumatic life moments. Then they meet themselves or they have a near-death experience.

And but yours was like there was no pre there was nothing that came before it. Just bang at 25. Bang.

Yeah. Or boom as I like to say. Boom.

Boom. Yeah. Then do what did you do? like what did you do with that?

I tried to let my family know. It just scared them. They uh and or or they were worried for for me.

So, I started reading the Bible and with this yes no relationship, I started getting translations from the Bible that no church has ever gotten. Um just to give a couple examples, I got reincarnation from out of a Bible text and Holy Spirit confirmed it. I got uh the union of soulmates that that you actually share a soul with with your woman or or with your man.

And uh yeah, just to just to quote a couple things, but what really kicked it off was my first what I call reality bending miracle. So I was home alone two weeks after this communication and I got stabbed in my left eyeball and really deep by a sharp object. I go in the bathroom to look in in the mirror and it's dripping blood and eye fluid.

So, it's eye gone. You know, you can't you can't call 911 and expect to get anything but maybe pain relief for for that. Upon realization that I'd lost an eye, my right eye tears up.

And now I'm blind. I I can't see at all. But it put a strange calm on me.

And and from that place of no sight, a s a a still voice seems to say, "Michael, you talked to God two weeks ago. Why not pray?" So I all right, let's do it. I I get down on my hands and knees, prostrate, and say these exact words.

Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, let my eye be healed. As soon as I stop speaking, this is every particle vibrates. I get up.

I look in the mirror. The blood is gone. The eye fluid is gone.

The tears are gone. Eye is perfectly healed. But from the center of the forehead, right right where the third eye is depicted, a thin stream of blood is leaking down.

I wipe it off and there's no wound on my forehead. And so this was my reaction. Yeah.

Like half fear, half awe, half joy, half concern. like don't know what the [ __ ] you think or or feel. Yeah. And then you start explain and then if you're explaining that to your family, they're thinking you're high on drugs.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They My family did not believe any of this until I became telekinetic and could show them. And then the concern became not is Michael uh tapping into the supernatural, but is he working with the devil or with God? um eight years of really good behavior and they all uh believe with all their hearts that I'm working with the right spirit now.

Wow. So when you say you Okay. So then that that was two weeks after.

Mhm. That's wild. Okay.

Two weeks after then you said you until you became telekines. Telekinetic. Yeah.

Okay. What do what do you mean by that? Okay.

Well, I'll I'll do a big gap fill and then once again you let me know if we want to zero in. Yeah. So, uh eight years from from the voice of God communication.

I had the Bible. I had prayer. I tried to make church work.

Had the Holy Spirit as my permanent guide. So, church didn't work. Elders, they don't know [ __ ] They like just sorry, but they tried to convince me that that I wasn't working with the right spirit uh because I I smoke cannabis.

So in their paradigm, why would God work with a dirty, filthy cannabis smoker, you know, and and in in mine, like why why wouldn't he or she, you know, it's not it's not just a he to me, but that that's another topic. So for eight years, uh, apart from finding the church to be incompatible, I would witness these supernatural experiences by praying to to God in the name of Jesus at a 100% ratio because I would ask Holy Spirit.

I didn't ask Holy Spirit on the first miracle because Holy Spirit told me to pray. But every miracle after that, I would ask Holy Spirit, can I pray for this miracle? And sometimes I would get the no.

But every time I would get the yes, my faith meter would go up to 100. I'd pray, boom, miracle delivered. Healing of incurable diseases, uh, healings on other people, weather alterations, all sorts of of wonderful stuff.

But then energy mastery began to come onto my scope because of the 2012 uh craze. Everybody talking about the Mayan calendar in 28. I I Google about it.

I get a video of David Wilco and and he's given a seminar and I'm feeling the Holy Spirit confirming a lot of what David's saying in particular when he quotes from a book the law of one which is a channeling of an entity called uh Rah who is in service to the one infinite creator. So I immediately pull up the database on on that book and start reading it the law of one and I'm getting hit after hit after hit Holy Spirit confirming with a greater density of affirmations than the Bible like whoa.

So this was like a book that gets you burned at the stake a 100 years ago but here's the Holy Spirit confirming the truth of it. So in particular, one chapter or one verse stood out where Ra is explaining that it seems to us that we're in a physical reality, but this is a sensorical interpretation provided by the electrical system of the body that in truth there's only waveform universal source energy that's everywhere of which all realities are translations.

And I really understood that like deep in the heart. And when I did this rush of energy comes over me and the voice of God which had been silent for years uh bmed in my eardrums and said very good now go outside get away from people. So I did I I go out back of of the building and as soon as I stopped walking this rippling shimmering energy was everywhere just like heat coming off the black top on a summer's day but with rainbow hues.

And when I beheld this, I was aruck by the beauty. But my heart remembered this place. I'd been here before uh through a deeper memory than the brain.

Not only that, I knew what to do. Didn't know what a heart chakra was at the time, but that's what I did. I opened my heart chakra.

And when I did, all of that rippling rainbow vibrating energy came into me. and my body started to come apart and just become this vibrant rainbow energy of of which looking back with hindsight I would call that the rainbow body now to use Dallas terms. But um so I got scared. It was beautiful.

I'm looking at my arms. I could see through them. I can see through my body down to the pavement.

But I had a fear-based thought. The thought was, "What if I can't rematerialize?" As soon as I had that thought, I get slammed back into physicality. Mhm.

Except that I I remembered the oneness that I was one one with everything in this. But now I was separate from everything again. Slam back into my body.

So for 2 years I cursed myself as a coward and and sought to open that door again. It seemed to me like I'd been invited to heaven and my fear turned down the invitation. So finally after two years I I discovered clairvoyance uh the act of obtaining a spiritual focus which is the opposite of a physical focus.

You focus on nothing. Uh you just relax and go almost catatonic in the mind and then all of a sudden boom the world of energy opens up. You can see it everywhere.

And everybody can do this in various degrees. Even if you just unfocus your eyeballs, you'll get some type of energy data. As long as you're willing to consider that maybe it's data and not just distortion, then you can get more.

So that that's how my energy mastery practice started. And to sum up what the spurred the question to desire to understand telekinesis for a year I would open up my clairvoyance use the scientific method take notes study play to figure out how all of this worked. When I I found myself uh in the clairvoyance I had a a type of walk-in but not from out there.

It was from deep in my heart. It comes out and it takes over my voice box and I find myself saying the words I am not the physical body. I am the light that flows out of it.

And as soon as I stopped speaking, all the rippling waveform energy collapsed into me like a dying star going supernova and explodes back outwards. Except my mind went with it. So before I was a little being of energy in an ocean of energy and now I was the source of the energy that I that I was seeing except that it was an extension of my very body.

And from that day forward, it wasn't long till I noticed that I was innately telekinetic. I didn't have control. And I haven't met anybody that has control, but I've met a lot of people that have influence.

And I've trained a lot of people to have a very definite influence. So, we can make the wind blow or go calm. We can cause it to change directions.

We can alter clouds in the sky. Removal or make them disappear or reappear or form into shapes. uh we can make water uh ripple continuously with still fingers planted in it. And most importantly, we we can be out of our body and inside of it at at the same time.

So we can light up another person's spiritual energy and help them to see the spiritual truth of of their own being or project healing and cause cellular change in various levels depending on our our current level of connection. So that's how the telekinesis uh started and when I realized I definitely had something to share and I should come forward and uh that was 2011 that I came forward made the Avatar Energy Mastery Institute.

Holy crap there's so much to unpack there. Yeah, I I know and I apologize. No, that don't don't apologize, man.

That's is the whole per like the whole the whole ethos for me and the Viking Academy is exploration self self it's a philosophy of self-discovery is what it is right discovering the true self and I like for the last 18 years I've been seeking a higher power through you know my recovery in Alcoholics Anonymous and that's what I've been like seeking a higher power and I'm realizing the more I've been seeking a higher power but actually who I've really been seeking is myself because I'm one with the energy and the power.

So everything you were just explaining to me, I've had snippets of understanding. So when you were explaining seeing the waves of light, and and and like if you just squint a little bit, you can see auras around people and light and the rest of it. And I had this vision once where I saw or I an understanding it's not so much a vision but an understanding that everything was just energy and it's just bent like energy that just bends and waves or it's folded like folded energy then creates a physical physical item like that's the interaction of love and light.

Love bends light. People often describe love as a frequency of light. They confuse love with compassion, with bliss, with with all these vibrational properties.

But love is a property of the space that light flows through. And when it flows through loving space, light gets harmonized and amplified. If it flows through space that's loving enough, you end up with a planet.

You end up with with a world. You end up with something of substance and form. It because it's the act of creation.

The purest form of love is is a creative act. Yes. Yeah.

It's it's in a constant state of creation and it's creating well it's like I've got a sign up here on my wall. When I get good sayings or things that really resonate with me, I'll put them up. And creativity is intelligence having fun.

I like that. I that's like something my my coach Dan Sullivan he said that once and I was I wrote that up and I'm like yeah that's like the ultimate expression of joy is creativity and just a constant outpouring of love right which is what it is it's it's create creativity is love in action I believe so that yes absolutely yeah so okay so we went so let's go back so telekinesis is the ability to impact energy outside of yourself.

Well, that's the part because it's not outside yourself, but outside your body. I'm I'm saying it if if I was in a 3D space and I'm having a conversation with a 3D person, they would see it as that ability to to influence energy. That's telekinesis.

Is that the definition? Right. Yeah.

Yeah. uh well influence energy to the point where it can have an impact on density on on air, water or solid matter which is the folded energy. I was talk that I had a vision of that energy that's folded enough that it's actually solid, right? Yeah.

It's all the same thing. Uh ether is the same thing as air. Air is just a lot more of it.

Water is the same thing as air. It's just a lot higher compression. Physical matter is the same thing as water.

So solidity, I know that might not make sense because physical is solid, but solidity itself is is a perception. If you project out of your body and into the air, you're not just going to end up in the air. You're going to end up in a world that has ground and sky and water and sunshine and and everything else.

So it depends on where you are currently at. If something is fluid, gas, or solid, the these are uh interchangeable depending on the point of view. My brain slightly exploded right there.

I know that's that's a big one to take in. Okay. So, is that like the theory of relativity on steroids?

Yeah. Yeah. Um to I I'll quote something like from science and observation.

Uh panes of glass that are really old like glass is solid, right? Yeah. Well, they start to drip after hundreds and hundreds of years.

It's dripping, right? Cuz it's actually fluid, but but it's it's solid to our temporal perception. I'm still going to have to soak on that one for a bit.

Yeah. So, it's okay. Thank you.

I probably shouldn't have dropped that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't understand.

Like I I'm just like I'm the the sponge, man. So just keep flowing here on this cuz I'm just Okay. So let's just see if we can get back to where we were.

So you So you had the experience. Your brother got pissed because he couldn't watch Fear and Loathing at the time. Yeah.

Your family thought you were dealing with evil spirits when you were explaining to them. But after eight years of showing them the fact of the telekinesis that you had, you started to understand and believe that now no you are working with it. Then you went and started and you were studying during that time.

You were also studying the Bible. You were reading. You were researching.

You were talking to the spiritual leaders, elders you called it. But they were going, you're working with the wrong, you're working with the devil. You're not on side because you weren't following their brand of religion, right?

Which is spirituality and religion are two totally different things, right? In my world, in my thinking of it, right? Because I I listen to what I listen to what they say in churches and I'm like, that's not what Jesus said.

What they're preaching in a church is not what Jesus said. He didn't say that. He actually said the opposite of what you're doing. like this don't make any sense to me, right?

It never did until I really started studying what Jesus actually said like and what it was actually talking about which was all the things you were just saying like it's actually a mindset and it's attaching to the spirit and the father and I are one right like it's all one energy right and Christ gives the the invitation be one with me as I am one with the father and the father is in me and I am in the father and then they went and put Jesus way up in the air and put him so far above them that impossible to be one with them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Ye are God's sons of the most high. Yeah.

Wait. Okay. So, you said you interesting point.

I just want to dive into one thing that you talked about. You said that when you were reading scripture, you started to analyze it differently and getting messages around scripture that that the traditionalist, shall we call the traditional teachers or the elders as you call them, don't say, "No, that's not the interpretation." One of them being reincarnation. Yeah, I'm curious on that one. which scripture?

Uh, verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away until they see the son of man return in a cloud of glory. So I was like, well, how how does that work? And and and God said reincarnation.

And as I heard that word, the Holy Spirit lit up in me. Oh. And there was your guide, the Holy Spirit saying the yes versus right.

Like if God had modern vernacular to use back then, uh Christ probably would have said, "You guys are just gonna [ __ ] reincarnate until you get your [ __ ] straight and you get right to where I can actually come back and not disturb your reality too much." Yeah. Exactly. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Because that's again through all my experience and the work that I've been doing with spiritual energy healers and past life regression and the studying and the research and the exploring like I really just that's the whole emphasis of the Viking Academy is embracing your inner Viking and go explore yourself right go explore just go and explore because when you do you will find you'll open that portal to your soul and then you'll start living with passion and purpose knowing what you're here to do.

You're actually here to ex experience this, right? And then actually go find yourself. It's a philosophy of self-discovery.

Everyone is here to to do that. Whether they like everyone needs to be an energy master that this is a topshelf woo woo fluff term typically, but an energy master is nothing more or less than somebody who has remembered their spirit. That's it.

We can all do all of these things when when we're out of the body. We can levitate, fly, shapeshift, walk through walls, do telekinesis, you you name it. But we're disconnected from spirit in the body.

And understanding that, it's easier to to speak in terms of, well, how did we come to believe that we're human when we're really spirit? So in spirit, when when you're out of the body, you're innately one with all things. And you have no borders except borders that you desire.

So you can be small or you can expand into oneness with with anything. Or you can go inside of a tree, become a tree, go inside of a rock, become a rock, come out, shape into a bird, fly off. But like you you can do anything.

Shape into any memory that you have uh incarnational memory as or you can share beingness with other spirits or or or whatever. The spirit is innately one with with all things. So to be born as a human, we followed the infant body through the first breath in into the body and overlapped it with the electrical system of the body.

And when that happened, it's like we getting trained like physical level electricity is measurable like like we have chi masters that their energy isn't measurable like like it's strong and and profound but but it's not uh like like only the highest level masters have measurable electrical energy. If that gives you an idea of how powerful uh electricity is and how our spirit which came from a very soft and subtle energy got massively entrained, hypnotized by its oneness with the electrical system that it forgot all about its other senses.

Forgot entirely that it was spirit as it gets bombarded with sight, sound, taste, touch, smell, and doesn't even remember itself. And most people go all the way to the end of their life without ever remembering their spirit. Well, that's just a ticket to another life.

You have to remember your your spirit. One of these lives has to get their [ __ ] together, reach out and and put Humpty Dumpty back together again. And so unless a person celebrates physical reality as as being the bee's knees, then everybody needs to learn energy.

It's it's who you are. It's what you are. Yeah, I liken that to um because I had that that thought that came to me and it was was not that long ago that I thought about it and I went, "Wait a second.

What if this is just we're in the Matrix and we took the red pill and the blue pill, right?" And al as a spirit, we went, "Okay, I'm gonna go down there and this time I'm gonna be Eric. This time you'll be going to be Michael and you're going to do this and we're going to meet each other at the podcast in July 9th at 11:33 a.m. Pacific time, which is what I'm looking at. 11:33.

Yeah. Awesome number, right? Pacific time. 11:33.

And but when we go down there before we go, you take the amnesia pill, so you forget. And then you get to have the experience of being a human. And then when it's over, you come back up and go, "Wow, that was so cool.

Okay, I'm going to do it again, but this time I'm going to be a monkey. I'm going to go down and be a monkey this time. Right.

You know what I mean? Like the reincarnation. It's like we actually chose to forget instead of it was something that was forced upon me.

No, it was actually a full choice and the feeling of that all of a sudden becomes I felt so much lighter and just I went, "Wait a second. I just chose to have this experience. I chose to come down here and be Eric.

I chose to become an alcoholic. I chose to recover. I chose like that's is am I on the right path here with this?

You are. But but you're there's like three different perspectives to look at there. There's human or or ego.

Then there's spirit or soul. And then there's God. And they're all three connected.

So from the highest voice, you chose every damn thing that that that you did. From the spirit, you might have chose this life and some basic circumstances. and and from the human, you're getting thrown curveballs, you're having to play dodgeball, you know, you're doing the best you can with seemingly chaotic events. They're all valid.

Um, it's best to adopt the highest perspective as much as possible, though. Well, that's where that that but this is where my this is where the feeling like I'm ve I've been a very cerebral guy for most of my life. It's been a thinking thing. um you know, business, mathematics, science, very like more less woo woo and more think think, right?

That's where I've been in the past. But I've been moving more and more and realizing that my true nature is more of a feeling nature. And it's like when I when I think of a thought and it makes me feel good, not in a egoic way, but in a it's the energy that it's the vibrational energy that you were talking about, but it's not as it's not as pronounced as your experience, the first experience you had when you were 25.

But I still have that experience where all of a sudden I I have a thought and that thought brings me a feeling of peace like that that just kind of and I go oh oh and a lightness and then a joy comes out and I'm like that's the thought that and that was that thought of the fact that I was actually purposefully giving myself amnesia and I'm just here experiencing this and that was that lightness that came from it and all of a sudden I was like well this is actually more of a playground than anything else.

Yeah. You know, and I like that you said human being like like take take that a human being as in beingness. Yeah.

And so many are wrapped up in human doing and they forget about human being. Yeah. Oh, and I oscillate by the way by in and out of human being to human doing when I'm when I like when I'm in these conversations with someone like yourself and we're having this great like I am in that the being state comes Yeah. way wave comes right forward.

It's like when two or more come together in my name, I shall be there. Right. That's this that's this that spirit just it it resonates, right?

And then all of a sudden I'm like, "Oh, now yeah, now I'm being." Yeah. Then in, you know, an hour from now, I'm probably going to fall asleep and go back into doing because that seems to be the pattern that I remember asking God, I I was translating what what does Christ mean? And I said, "Unity and Holy Spirit floods through me." That was my interpretation of of that scripture where wherever two or more are gathered in oneness if if it could be rewritten there I am.

That's the spirit of Christ is the spirit of unity or or one togetherness oneness. Mhm. Which which you know once you see everything as you you don't need to you don't need anything.

You're more experiencing and enjoying life as you see it. You see it unfold. It's like and then fear disappears because there's no there is no fear.

Like fear it it vanishes because it's like an illusion. It it's a temporal illusion. It's a valid truth and one you should probably listen to until you're on the next greater platform, but there's a a part where where it disappears. um all of these things they happen in their own time.

So I don't really like when gurus from a very lofty place tell people that aren't at that place how to be or or how to live because there's a very natural way that that the guru got to that place and and there's things that you have to know and and and understand in between. Um and this I'm prefacing this because I'm about to say I don't feel anger anymore but the anger that I did feel before was divine. taught me everything that I needed to know to get to this place where I don't get angry.

So, it was a natural uh evolution. But I don't like to speak too many lofty ideals from this place that I'm at because I don't want to strip people of the rights to their journey to get here. Yeah.

It's like thinking I Yeah. Don't try and become Yeah. Don't Don't try and become a saint by Tuesday.

You know, it's one of the things in the in the recovery movement. It's like, you know, yeah, don't try and walk I we say it here because I'm in Vancouver Island and across the water is Port Angeles, right, in in in Washington state. And I said, yeah, don't try and walk to Port Angeles just yet, you know?

You're not going to be able to walk there. Just you're walking on water. It's not going to happen, right?

Like the process that you're going through is all for you, chosen by you. Yeah. To I'm a big fan of nature.

Um I I found uh where a lot of spiritual disciplines look to see the incorrectness in nature and to rise above nature. My path has been to see the divinity in nature. So be angry as long as it's natural for you to be angry.

You know, be judgmental as long as it's natural for you to be. But but always seek to uncover more and to get to know yourself better. and your your nature will will lead you to the perfection that you cease or seek. Um, with a little help from the friends is good too, you know.

So, there's nothing wrong with dialoguing about this, but but I don't like when when people from lofty spiritual states speak in absolutes and try to set behavior patterns in people that aren't there yet because everything that's everything that you've experienced throughout your life was a solution and was helping you along the way. And it had a purpose. It's like very much so, you know, if you if you weren't blissful and the guy comes running at you with a machete and you just stand there and all bliss joy, then he stabs you, you die.

Right. Like, so there is a natural response to fear and actually dealing with something in the in the moment. Right.

Right. Actually dealing with that. It's actually it's interesting.

I keep I keep kind of tying things back into my alcoholism because that's my experience, right? Like that's where I can can talk from from experience and authority because I experienced it, right? It's it's it's knowing that that having gone through that was what I needed to be who I am today.

Yeah. Like I know that now. It's not I don't want to go back to that behavior.

I'm not interested in that. like I'm like I I'm I've been there, done that. Thank you very much. But it all served me to a certain degree.

And there's this one passage we say, you know, you will never you will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. You'll see how your experience can help others. Your you and you it your experience will be useful and help others.

So, it's like having been there before and not being from some lofty p position going, "This is, you know, just be this way." Well, I I'm not even close to where you're at. Like, it's meeting people where they're at. Like, where are they, right?

In their own self-discovery journey. That's where for me in the Viking Academy, that's where I I want to create a platform that is available to people at all sorts of different levels because it's a philosophy which is seeking the self which is our highest self ultimately. Yeah, that's right.

I I see God as the highest self of every single one of us. Yeah. It's the oneness that that connects the whole thing together.

Yes. So So let's go. So you then you you mentioned the the platform that you started what was that platform?

Avatar Energy Mastery Institute. Avatar Energy Mastery Institute. And then there what are you provide?

What are you doing in there that people can have? Uh it's it's a series of video lessons in three different levels. Uh awakening, advanced, and mastery.

Awakening is about remembering your spirit, connecting, overcoming the sensory impairment that that is the nervous system of the human body, which by the way is the matrix of this reality. It's the one thing we all share that that allows us to seem to be in a co-creational world. Were it not for the nervous system, we'd all be in our own little worlds based on our thoughts, our vibrations, and our reactions.

So the the nervous system provides a set of of uh enforced sensory data that that that we all share. So the first step is coming out of the nerves and remembering the spirit that that is puppeteering the body through the electrical system. Um that that's the first step is to realize your energetic presence.

It starts out as temperature fluctuations, heat or coolness. Then it goes to electrical tingles and then it goes to the smooth refined magnetic fluctuation. And uh it fluctuates with every breath, every heartbeat, every fluxation of the will or the kinetic consciousness.

You can feel this magnetic presence. So by the end of the awakening, you you are spirit on the inside and your spirit has become started to come to the outside as well. Uh advanced is all about growing in soul mass.

Okay. Okay. Hold on for one sec.

Hold on for one sec. Let's just let's stay in that first that first piece because we're talking about something there that that I I just wanna I just want to wrap my head around and maybe for the listener as well is is the my and my my soul just went very quiet for a split second there. Okay.

It's the remembering it was the electronic. You were talking about the field of electronic the three-dimensional experience like the the husk we'll call it the human body. Yeah.

That if we didn't have that, we would all be in our own individual experiences because we are infinite beings creating all that. But this is actually what brings us together in this reality is our forces this level of collective experience. We would be we would still be in collectives but they would be smaller circles based on on similarly structured beliefs.

So so you not everybody would be alone. There'd be some bigger pockets of collective activity and smaller pockets of collective activity. But because we all have the the tree of knowledge, the matrix, the nervous system and the human body, huge amount of people are having a collective experience here on Earth.

So that's how we are able to relate and we're in the proximity with one another is the three-dimensional. Yes. Three.

So the three-dimensional space, we'll call it the 3D world is what gives us the ability to relate with one another because we're all at the same frequency, shall we say, because yes, well, we're all together spectrum 20 to 20,000 hertz with the ears. We're we're our electrical senses. Our spirit is hardwired to the electrical senses and the electrical senses are in a very fixed preset range.

So awakening is getting your senses expanded beyond this range. Get the sight above and below the rainbow spectrum. The sound above and below 20 hertz will touch and taste and smell have a range as well.

When you increase the range, then you spiritualize your physical experience. Then you can actually sense at all times the spirit that is puppeteering your body both through the sensory and through the motor nerves. Like science understands it's electricity between the brain and the muscle that causes the flexation.

But what what triggers that electricity in the first place? That's our spirit. It's it's inseparably fused to or temporarily inseparably fused.

But as I open my hands, I'm opening my spirit and it causes the electrical polarity that happens seamlessly. So, so I can feel like I'm a physical being, but I'm a spirit puppeteering a physical body. And that's the awakening level is is remembering your spirit.

Perfect. Okay. Awesome.

Thank you for landing that. That landed the plane perfectly for me. All right.

Cool. Next level. Okay.

Next level is is advanced. in advance. Now that we've come past our our body, we can begin to learn the magnificent lessons in beingness that everything has to teach. We come from ether.

Ether is less dense than air. Less dense means less particles per square inch. The new age spiritual world uh they typically say less dense equals superior.

No, it doesn't. The opposite actually. So E equals MC².

We we know this formula, right? So, so more particles per square inch equals greater density equals greater energy. It's it's an equation.

So, the air is more than we ever were. The water is more than the air will ever be. And the solid matter is even more than the water.

So, we're here exposing our spirit to three densities of energy that are greater than than from from which we came. It's why we're here because it's the next step in our evolution. We don't we don't walk backwards.

We don't fall asleep. We're not masochistic. Uh we're just seeking to increase the level of our I amness.

It's not digital. Uh we're we're always seeking greater and greater representations of self. So your I amness grows.

Your your intelligence grows. You your sensory refinement, your emotional state, both in potency and refinement are always growing. So this is the next level of that.

So in advance, you come out of your body, you learn how to go inside of a tree. And from a tree, you learn about wood, and you learn about water, and you learn about sap and sunshine. You get to see reality from a tree's perspective, from a from an embodiment.

You go inside the sun and the sunlight, and you learn about fire. You project down into the earth and you learn about soil and about stone and rock and metal and all these things that start to make your soul more solid, more real, more more uh manifested. And as you start to ramp up the power, then you start to become more and more telekinetic.

So you'll have a little bit of influence right away when you get out. But when you learn the lessons in beingness that a tree, the water, the air, the ground, everything has to teach you, your influence becomes greater because your love and your light is growing. So the advanced course is all about uh increasing the density of your spiritual energy so that you have a more profound impact not just on telekinetics but on manifestation of timeline experiences.

Uh you become a transmuter of grief. You become a healer every everywhere you go. you're raising collective up and that's the advanced level. The mastery level is simply the So let's let's hold there.

Hold there. I let's just I want to pause it on that one because you said something there that is is is at the beginning you said something that actually is backwards to what we've been kind of told. Yeah.

And that the higher vibrations of frequency of life is better than the lower ones. that this threedimensional space is well this isn't a lower frequency it's a higher frequency well that's that that's what I'm talking about you know what I mean like that's that's the that that's a switch on the tra I don't know if the word's traditional but the the general messaging that we get out there is that you're trying to break free from this three-dimensional space to get to spirit like that it's an there's it's almost like the original the story of original sin that somehow being here on earth is we are sinful creatures and I'm like I could never get out bad wrong got to get out bad wrong got to get out that's been the premise of every religion discipline of of the past yeah and I understand how they got there I don't fault them because they perceive well the spirit physical body dies spirit lives forever spirit superior this inferior I can see how they they got there but as an energy master who's had over a thousand out of body experiences who's met masters that are fully lucid on both sides of the veil.

The one thing we all have in common is we keep coming back here like there's no there's no escape from the self and this is the greatest represent of self that that we've ever had. So I can testify that as a spirit that can merge its essence with anything that I want who's been out of the body in all the dimensions all the way back to God that this body is the teacher.

This body is the tool. This is what will take spirit to the next level. Because what I've learned merging with my blood at a cellular level, merging with my bone, merging with my flesh, is that this is the powerhouse.

It makes what we used to be seem like barely even real, like a wispy little shade of consciousness compared to what what we can obtain once we begin to merge with the body at a cellular level. All the information that we've gotten from our body or about our body has been an electrical translation through the nerves and the neurons. It's not real sensory information.

Real sensory information comes from spirit comes from shared particles. So as your spirit pops out of the nerves and begins to become one with the blood and the bone and the flesh, you start to realize it's not blood, it's not bone, it's not flesh. We know this from science.

It's many, many tiny little particles orbiting, not even touching each other. It's 99.9% empty space. So, this is a light body.

It's just so much [ __ ] light that we can't be one with it yet. We haven't mastered it. But, but we're mastering it.

Coming out of the nerves is the first thing. Coming out of the hypn hypnotization of the sensory impairment of the matrix of the human body remembers your spirit. From there, your spirit has to make a choice to be here, to be now, to accept this.

I I remember on my about my 50th out of body experience, I learned to travel by the Holy Spirit after getting nowhere and quickly in the astral. I was like, "Well, Michael, you got a relationship with God." So, I was like, "Yeah, yeah, okay." So, I levitate up on on out of body experience number 50. And I [snorts] say to Holy Spirit, "Take me where I need to go. of this invisible force inside and outside of my body starts whisking me through the universe at light speeds taking me different places.

Well, around number three or four, I was like, "Well, take me to you." And Holy Spirit just slams me down like a thousand miles per hour down, down, down, down, boom, back into my body. And it took me like 10 years to find out why. Like, God, I'm asking to be taken to you. you know, obviously you're somewhere way the [ __ ] out there.

And I instead I get slammed back into my body. I thought I was rejected, but God was trying to say, "I'm here. I'm in your body." Like I I'm your heart.

I'm your core. Like Like the body is closer to God than all of that spirit stuff. That's why we're here. that that completely aligns with Jesus's teachings.

Yeah. Complete alignment with that. And it's but that you can see I'm the whole system's re reconfiguring itself.

It's like my computer's reffra defragging itself and re reorienting itself. That's great. You know what I mean?

Cuz because there's it's and that's where religion is always pointing to the god in the sky and the damned god and this this this evil spirit and and that you need to be make him happy otherwise you're going to hell when you that's where the evil spirits live is far away from the human experience and the the dark spirits that's where where they live and I know this from a lot of experience and I found out the very very hard way earth is our place of power earth is our home earth is the heaven that we're working on.

It It's cycling now, but I don't think it's going to be cycling for much longer. And when our work is done here, it's going to be the greatest level of heaven that heaven has ever realized. More particles per square inch.

E= MC². So this this is where it's at. And so when you say it's not it's cycled, but it's not going to cycle much longer.

What do you mean by that? Well, that that that's going to open a big can of worms. So, um well, like I uh the living water, we know from the experiments of Dr.

Emoto that water is very impressionable with just a thought or just a scribbling of a label. You can then freeze the water crystal and and you can change it. So, we're in water right now.

We're cycling. We're flowing. We're reincarnating.

We're figuring ourselves out. Well, there's going to be a period when when we all rest in in who and what we are. We accept this.

We accept the love that God has for us, which the greatest God that I found is so deep inside yourself that you'd never find it with a scalpel. It's even more you than you are. It's even more compressed um than than all of this.

So, so imagine all of this that we know of as the material fluidic universe being compressed in into a diamond, but not even harder than than a diamond. You know, all the substance of the universe at that next level of of expression. So, our water is fluent right now so that we can figure ourselves out.

We're changing. We're impressionable. We're putting imprints and receiving impressions.

But at at a certain point, we're going to hit perfection. and we're going to know what perfection is. Perfection is an idea, but it has to be an idea that you wholeheartedly agree with. And when that idea strikes home, I believe that our water, our living water, will be brought to that next level.

And we we will rest in our solidity and and we won't be so impressionable and we definitely won't be cycling, reincarnating, dying, and living and such. Um, that's now I've got now I've got it all over my I can feel it on my legs and my arms and there's tingling going on throughout my entire I can see it happening and my clairvoyance is is open. We're sharing space right now.

I I projected to you to help you to understand that because I knew it was a lot. that we've been looking we've been we've been looking in the wrong place. Yes. But this exactly it's but it's exactly what Jesus said.

It's what every spiritual teacher has ever said. Yes. They've all said the same thing.

That's the one thing I've been a very avid reader and explorer in as many things I can get my hands on. Right. the Culbrron Bible, the Quran, the like all of everything. Right.

I'm reading it all. It's all pointing to the same thing. But we But then religion's been pointing the wrong direction.

Right. Right. Well, they all got hijacked.

All these religions started out as really good things and then they it ends up hijacked by these corruptible forces. These these corruptors, they they hold the high places. Cuz remember the Bible says, you know, we struggle against uh we don't struggle against we struggle against evil in high places.

That's what it's talking about. The these these highle dark entities, they don't uh hold substance. They hold nothing.

They hold darkness, which gives them the ability to dip in and they play puppets and and they manipulate. They want to feed off of us. They they do not want us to wake up.

We're like play toys to to them. So, so yeah, of course they would steer things in that direction, playing on our fears, playing on our insecurities, and playing on our own uh pension for damning our nature, damning our sexuality, our sensuality, um our very natural desire to get high 1:sometimes, you know, nothing wrong with that. I if it's done the right, you know, way.

I struggled to say that 1:because I know you went through AA and all of that, but God gave us plants. God gave us herbs. God gave us very natural 1:things that that are actually very wholesome and healthy when they're done uh in the right environment with wisdom, 1:prudence, and thanksgiving.

There's we've been given many things that can elevate our our mood and actually be very healthy for selfexloration. 1:Yeah. I don't just so you know like I don't I I'm not one of those recovered drinkers who tell everybody else that 1:drinking is a sin and that using drugs is a sin. I that's that's not it's my it's my experience knowing that 1:my reaction to the alcohol and the drugs was my escape mechanism for and it was a solution for me at the time. 1:Yeah. 1:But it doesn't work for me so I don't do it.

But I'm not telling anybody else to not do it. I'm around people all the time. I play in a heavy metal band, 1:dude.

Like I'm the drummer and lead singer in a heavy metal band. We're playing in the bars all the time. I am surrounded like in this 80s like anthem 1:rock and heavy metal.

Good stuff. And it's so much fun. And there's people drinking and drugging all around me.

It doesn't even impact me. It doesn't phase 1:me one bit. Right.

So, um but I know from my experience what I can or cannot put into this body, right? Yeah. 1:What what works or not. Um, it's oh that this you've turned the whole 1:thing on its head.

The whole thing the whole viewpoint of that it's a higher 1:vibration is better. It's it's it's what we're all trying to attain and that heaven is somewhere out there and it's you've turned it down into the other way 1:where it's like this is the ultimate heaven that we're in right now is we're getting to experience this physical experience 1:and it's from what I understand you explaining those first two levels in what you're teaching in your in your platform is is is awakening to the 1:spirit within and then and then the second stage is merging the spirit with this physical world with a 1:consciousness being able to consciously consciously engage in the spiritual in in the physical form. 1:So because the spirit through spiritual senses through the spiritual senses and experiencing the physical form through the spiritual senses in a conscious manner. 1:Yes. 1:To re recognize that this is the ultimate the greater level of beingness.

You see that this is the higher vibration 1:because they say it's a low vibration but if a low vibration is likew like the drip of of a water. If this was a low vibration it would be ghostlike. 1:It would be etheric. It would be not so real.

But the physical body is such a high vibration that every time you go to 1:examine it it's always there like so so it's a very high vibration. A a rock is a higher vibration than water is a 1:higher vibration than air is sure should a higher vibration than ether because it's always freaking there. That's fast. 1:That's fast vi vibration.

So people have just gotten confused. Uh you have an out of body experience or or a lucid dream 1:to the spirit plains by reducing the brain waves to theta. That that's a lower vibration.

So if you can lower your vibration sufficiently, then all of 1:a sudden dut vibration at the theta speed becomes solid, all of a sudden you're out of your body. You're standing on ground. 1:You have air, water, sunshine, people to talk to, the whole bit because you're vibrating lower. So it it's uh the high 1:vibration is real.

They've just got them chasing the higher vibrations in the wrong direction. 1:And that's again I'm following that I call it my uh my divining rod inside. 1:It's the the thought feeling that combines itself that gives me that 1:sense of peace and oneness that that makes sense. And so when you were explaining how that this is actually the higher 1:vibration on the physical plane, it makes me more joyous when I look at my hand now.

Right? 1:You know what I mean? Like I see it and I'm like like that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, right? 1:Not in an egoic sense, but in a in a It is. It's the most beautiful form.

And we've had many forms. We've had many, 1:many, many forms. And the human form is our most beautiful attainment that that we're seeking.

Um when when you're out 1:of the body and you're in pure spirit, you get to see how human you've become from your time in a human body. And 1:there's different levels of spirit. Some are closer to the physical.

In in these the body uh is making your spirit into 1:it. So, you can look in the mirror and you can think that, oh yeah, okay, here I am out of my body and my teeth are all straight and and I'm the same height 1:that I was and I look the same. But if you project away from the body even more, you get to see, well, how much of the body have I actually claimed 1:ownership of?

And then you'll see that your teeth are wiggling and moving about as you look in the mirror. Your eyes are sort of doodly and shifting, and you 1:might not even have legs yet because you haven't even come, you know, all all the way in. So it's it's a it's a it's a 1:series of impressions that this makes time after time after time.

But an energy master that's in devotion that 1:knows where to look for God like like in the body can quickly map this. And ultimately I believe with all my heart 1:that the physical body will be our our permanent home. that it's only physical right now because of sensory impaired 1:data of the electrical system and the neurons that tell us it's a bag of water and bones and blood. No, it's many many 1:tiny little particles all orbiting and vibrating.

And through mastery, I can begin to experience that. Like even now 1:as I talk to you, as I move and rock in my chair, my muscles are flexing, but only like at 20 30%. There's also this 1:cellular type of hydraulic that's happening at at a metaphysical level because my spirit is gaining ownership 1:of the body.

So I still am impaired by the electrical information, but I'm getting real spiritual sensory data at 1:the same time. So it feels very much like I'm conquering this body. And it's been a step step and it keeps getting 1:closer to like I'm 52 years old now.

It is so much more comfortable to be in this body than when I was 22 years old. 1:My my spine has it feels like a rod of of electromagnetic hydraulic support. It almost feels like I'm halfway to zero G 1:because my spirit is is possessing the body. So, I've never been as alive as I am now or have this level of enthusiasm 1:and vitality and good emotional and mental health. 1:I'm on page with that one, man.

Because I'm I've been feeling that as well. And I've been surrounding myself and 1:attracting those into my peripheral that are resonating at that same level. Like 1:I'm feeling like I got friends, some friends from before.

They're like, "Oh, yeah. Well, I'm ready to retire and I'm going to" 1:And I'm just like, I'm just getting started. 1:Like [clears throat] I feel like I'm just getting started on this journey. 1:Like it's feels like I'm I'm I'm feeling younger and I what you said there I feel more comfortable in this skin than I've ever felt in my entire life. 1:Yeah. Yeah.

Of this. I've never felt more comfortable. Yeah. 1:Want to keep exploring and becoming more and more comfortable.

So the thing that I've been actually seeking is what you're articulating right now. 1:But I didn't have the I didn't have the verbiage around it and and the understanding that you have. But 1:that's what I've been unconsciously or subconsciously or that's what my soul has been doing. 1:And it's just all our souls are doing whether we're conscious of it or not. 1:And you're bringing consciousness to the process, right? 1:where there was unconsciousness.

But this has always happened and coming back to that scripture is that you will continue to go through this cycle and you'll come back in and reincarnate 1:until you start to become conscious of the process and do what you're talking about. 1:Yes. The only way out is through no escape from the self. Why why would he have what why would it be anywhere else 1:than than right here and right now?

The idea that it's somewhere else besides right here, right now is the problem, not not the solution. 1:Yes. 1:Whoa. Okay, cool. All right.

So, we did level one, level two, then you were going to go on to level three before I 1:blocked you and we went down the rabbit hole. 1:Yeah. Level level three is called the path to mastery because I I don't believe we're we're there yet. So, I've 1:heard the term ascended masters, people that think that they're walking around the planet.

I don't think so. But people are free to think whatever they want. I 1:don't have empirical data on that, but I believe that we're on the path to mastery.

So, in path to mastery, I teach 1:all the highest level abilities that that I've learned from time travel in spirit. By the way, I don't claim that my flesh body can time travel, but uh in 1:spirit, I I've been all the way back to see the dinosaurs. I've been as far forwards as 3,500 AD.

I've been in simultaneous time with beings that were 1:from other times and other worlds. Like I teach people how to shift dimensionally, how to time travel, how to do weather control, and most 1:importantly, how to heal and activate others to higher consciousness. So, in mastery, I teach the just the highest level stuff that that I've learned and 1:that I've also learned from other masters because I've met others from, you know, like attracts like.

So, I've met a lot of uh beings that were uh just 1:like me and and we've collaborated and and shared our knowledge and and our skills and this is where we're at right now. 1:That's so cool. It is cool. 1:That's so cool. So, and the website is what is the website again?

I want to reiterate it multiple times. I put it in 1:the show notes for sure, but what where is Yeah. Well, I have an umbrella site that I have two branches to to my study.

I have the Avatar Energy Mastery Institute 1:which is all about self-empowerment, remembering your spirit. In the in the energy institute, there's no spiritual philosophy. I don't talk about God.

Um 1:it it's just straight techniques. You know, this is how you become clairvoyant. This is how you travel out of your body.

This is how you get ESP. 1:That this is how you do all all of these things. This is how you remember your spirit. And that's Avatar Energy Mastery Institute.

Uh, I've since founded the 1:metaphysical church of the tree of life, which is all about, okay, now that you're on this path of energy mastery, what about the creator? What about God? 1:Where does God fit into this? And it's like a glove and and a hand.

So, if you're interested in the self-empowerment, but you're not 1:interested in God, that's fine. I respect that. You don't you don't need that.

But it's 10 times as efficacious 1:if you decide to give God a chance because our creator does love us more than we will ever love ourselves. And 1:evolution is the name of the game. So when you choose to make God a part of it, then every good thing that you could have provided yourself is just going to 1:get steroidally ramped up.

So it's nothing but a but a but a good thing. 1:And I'm just throwing that out there as a side note. But I kept the metaphysical church of the tree of life separate from Avatar. Although the avatar teachings, a 1:lot of them are in the church.

Um, both of these organizations are umbrelled under my bio site which is michaelmunk.biobio. 1:Cool. Cool. And so in these teachings is are these online courses that they take or Yes, online courses and community. 1:Cool, man.

That's I am so going there next after which by the way you get free access to 1:for the rest of your life. that's been my long-standing tradition since 2011, have me on your podcast or your program. 1:And then um you know, it's it's just a gift heartto-heart, but there's also an invitation for further symbiosis after you go through the course if you find it 1:to be a beautiful and amazing experience. I would love to come back on your program to where you could speak for that and then that that would be highly symbiotic for both of us. 1:Dude, you had me at hello.

I'm all over it. Seriously, man. Like that's that 1:there's been there's been a knowing or a inkling in my mind that there's this is 1:where I I personally needed to go for the phase for the Viking Academy where it's going to where it's going to be able to serve 1:others which is you know I see it almost like I don't know a new earth school or something that's in there that it's 1:going to be a platform by which it's not just the Eric show it's like I'm bringing in the Michael Monk I'm bringing in like because it's the 1:teachings from all of these yes masters and it's a b it's it's a 1:platform it's a philosophy of self-discovery where people can come and they can go with where the resonation is because it's their path 1:instead of being like I love what you said dude like it's like it's not speaking from some spiritual hilltop and saying this is the only way this you 1:must do this no it's I'm seeing a resonance where It it it I don't want to force anybody's hand.

I want to be in a 1:room where people are raising their hand. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And not like this. 1:Yeah. Not not out in front like they're they're saying shake me.

Yeah. Yeah. 1:Yeah. Yeah.

That that the wrong motion of the hand for sure. Um I'm just being silly. But yeah.

Well, 1:no, but that's but but that's part of the but Michael that's but like that's part of the charm and then that's part of the 1:reality. It brings it to a real space where people finally go like cuz that's where I was seeing myself too cuz like I've always in the past I've 1:been this cerebral it's 3D guy not in the sense that we're talking about now because now I see 3D in a totally 1:different paradigm but in shall we call it traditional accountant numbers and boxes click click 1:click click business business business didn't talk woo woo and now I'm like all my podcast guest 1:majority.

It's we're in the metaphysical, the God, talking God, spirituality, all that. And it's like I 1:see myself as bridging for those who need to hear the message of the woowoo without the woo woo messaging. 1:And that's what I really love about you too, brother, and that's why I've resonated so well with you. It's like, yeah, okay, we'll drop a couple [ __ ] fbombs or here or there.

We'll say this 1:or we'll talk about smoking a, you know, ganja or whatever. It's to bring it into reality for those who, 1:you know, it's not speaking. You're not preaching to the converted.

You're pre you're we're sharing with those who can resonate with what our messaging. And that's what I I want to do for the 1:Viking Academy is create a platform where people are going there in a in a spirit of self-discovery and then they get to choose their own path. 1:That's great. 1:Resonate with, right? And that's why I want your plat your business and and your teachings on the platform.

So I can highlight and say here go see Michael. 1:Okay. 1:Do this. Right. So the fact that you've offered me to go through and do it.

I can then even speak from more authenticity to say this is what I've experienced through this and and Right. 1:Yeah. Dude. Perfect.

Love. 1:Okay. Well, just send me an email after the show um to the same address with courses and community and I'll get you as the subject and I'll get you. 1:Yeah. We'll figure that stuff out in the background.

So, but for again for the listeners, we'll have that in the show notes for the two websites again. Name the 1:websites again. So, for the listeners, Metaphysical Church of the Tree of Life and the Avatar Energy Mastery Institute, both umbrella under my bio site, which is Michael Monk.io. 1:Rock and roll.

Michael, thank you so much for being on the podcast, man. 1:We're going to do a followup after I go through the teachings. 1:Awesome, brother. Yeah, this this was great. Thank you for bringing out the best in me. 1:Thanks for listening to the Viking Academy podcast.

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