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What if remembering who you truly are could change everything?

In this episode, we sit down with Kris Land, award-winning author, conscious entrepreneur, and creator of The Infinity Within, to explore the deeper nature of the soul, reality, and human potential.

Drawing from decades of entrepreneurship, spiritual exploration, and personal experiences, Kris shares a perspective that blends logic, philosophy, and awakening. Together we explore the idea that life may function like a game designed for experience, and how fear, doubt, and illusion often keep us from recognizing our true nature.

Rather than offering rigid beliefs, Kris invites us to ask deeper questions about consciousness, purpose, and the infinite potential within each of us.

Topics We Explore:

• The inspiration behind The Infinity Within
• The idea that life may function like a game for the soul
• How fear and doubt shape our perception of reality
• Synchronicities and meaningful “coincidences”
• Remembering our true nature and creative power

Connect with Kris Land: https://krisland.com/

Learn More about The Viking Academy: https://www.vikingacademy.com

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 Episode Transcript: 

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Viking Academy podcast. So today I have a fellow named Chris Land. Now Chris reached out to me and sent me an email and said, "Hey, you know, Eric, I've built all these businesses and I've written this book and I think I'd be a really good fit for the Viking Academy." And that's pretty well as much as I knew before I got into this. And holy Chris, I think we were like brothers from another mother. We're literally the same person. We we go back the nostalgia route. We go talk about things that

happened in the 70s and 80s. There's water beds. There's uh interesting phrases that uh we use that I never thought I'd ever hear someone else say. Um but the the gist of it is he wrote a book called The Infinity Within. and he comes at it from a very um it's it's kind of what we talked about with with Don Bon in the last uh podcast I did which is the intersection of spirituality and economics. Chris has built multiple multiple big businesses and offsold businesses but he had an amazing experience when he was younger and it wasn't until he got older that he finally wrote the infinity within. He

just wrote it in 2025, but he's got the framework around it. I'm so in alignment with in terms of our soul. And he he walks through four questions what it has to do with the soul. And it's they're very logical questions about whether we have a soul or not. And I and I'm very curious to see how you react to his questioning in there and these things that happen. But there's three things that he says, and I'm just going to leave you with this one teaser. Said that our souls are actually here to just do three things. One is to create stuff, two is to destroy stuff, and three is to

play games. And that is the gist around this entire podcast. And he frames it and explains where his understanding has come from. And I totally resonate with what he said. Um, the unlock that I got from the conversation with him was was fantastic. I love doing these podcasts.

I got to tell you, this is just this is so much fun. and finally wrapping uh the concept around that we're just down here playing a game almost like an escape room but not quite an escape room in Earth. We'll call it the Earth school. Um resonates so much with me. Um he's my newest quickest best friend. I can tell that right away. Um we have Norwegian roots. We got both Viking blood in us.

Um we have a very great conversation. Lots of lots of stuff for you to think about and to um assimilate into your own journey. Man, uh again, I hope you enjoy this podcast as much as I did recording it with Chris. Um I'm still trying to process it. You can tell I'm stumbling a little bit over my words because it was quite it was quite the experience. So, there you go. Let's go explore.

What's up, bud? Not bad. How about yourself? There you are. Awesome. There I am. Awesome, dude. Um, I am so excited to do this podcast with you. Um, and by the way, we've started the podcast right now. This is how it works. Um, because I just ing. I didn't even see the little recording button. Oh, yeah, dude. We're we're recording.

We're like we're we're we're we're on go, man. Like, I love this is like I love it when I get this wasn't an outbound request by me. This was an inbound request from you saying, "Hey, you know, or was it your team was reached out to me or whatever and I was like looking I'm like, well, hell yeah.

I want to talk to this guy." You betcha. Well, thank you. Yeah. Especially when I found out uh like like I said in the email um I probably got 50 60 relatives in Oslo and Stanger. Oh, there you go. Yes. Well, that's fant. Do you not? Uh no, no, no, no. I I I dabbled as a child because my mom took me to Norway a couple different times and then um on one of my companies uh we merged with Tanberg Data out of Oslo and so I spent some a fair amount of time there but just never really picked

up the language. My language is not is not my specialty. Okay. So picking up I mean I lived in Milan for a year and and my Italian sucks. Um so so yeah um languages for whatever reason even the English language I didn't do well with until probably ninth grade because my brain doesn't work in the idea that there's these rules except that they really don't exist a lot of the time.

And so, you know, you have things like I the the number one or I won something and and all these just little odd things, especially in the English language. In in Norwegian, I don't know. In in Spanish, it's more stable. In English, it's all over the flipping place.

And so, it took me until 9th grade to get really established. I mean, I could read really well. I was reading past college level at younger ages, but but being able to write um it it didn't get I really didn't get really well at really focused and and and very good at writing until like ninth grade going on.

Yeah, I guess English language is one of the hardest to to learn. I understand because it's like like you said, it's it's one one is can mean so many different things, right? Yeah. Yeah. or there. What is that? There or they are or what what what the hell are we talking about? Um but they but so so we call it the verbal language. I was having this conversation actually with um with my buddy Don Bon.

He was on the podcast recently and I was we were fumbling over I said words are they're the crudest way of communicating almost like they're like there's a there's a you know and I can't wait to talk more about the infinity within in the book. I like that. For those of you that are not watching the video, there's this cool cutout of the book that Chris has got there, The Infinity Within. I find that words are the the best thing we have, but they're still not they can't convey the concept of God or understanding. Like you can

understand something beyond words. Like you can feel it, but you just can't articulate it. It's like the the the Dao T-ing. It says that which is named the Dao is not the Dao. Yeah. That which you call God is not God because you've just Yeah. You've quantified into into a construct that's extremely limited.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you if you I'm sure with all the different podcasts and all the stuff you've done in life, you you've heard the idea that 80 to 90% of what we get in communication like you and I having this conversation has nothing to do with the words coming out of my mouth.

It has to do with my body language. It has to do with the inflection. It has to do with the way my eyes move. It has to there's there's all these other things that we're communicating when we're communicating and the words are a very small part of that understanding of what we're doing.

Yeah. That's why I in the other coaching businesses I have so I have a like I coach accounting I coach entrepreneurs and accountants and I accountants should be entrepreneurs but they don't act like it all the time but they go call them entrepreneurs. I said the one of the worst forms of communication is email. I aid email. You can't figure out inflection, tonality, whatever the person's feeling. They're going to read the thing on the piece of paper and

they're g they're going to or I see I'm old school. I'm talking piece of paper now. But you they're reading this text message or this email and they're like whatever I'm feeling at the time, I'm going to impose upon absorb it. I'm going to absorb it. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm going to I'm going So if I'm having a really crappy day, what you say on an email could piss me off or on another day would make me happy. So um Yeah. So I totally get that the communication uh is it's it's the crudest form and then but there's even more intu intuitive knowing and understanding like when you meet someone and you just all of a sudden you feel a vibration you're like hey I can I can I can hang out with this guy. Um so okay so you you thank you again for reaching out. tell tell me and the listeners a little bit more about

yourself and um I can't wait to start exploring this because um the infinity within is just like that cover is wicked too by the way man looks great I love it but yeah give give us a little background so I grew up in North Dakota my mom is first generation Norwegian and uh her mom and dad came from Norway and live and lived in a place called Bisby which is probably nobody knows out and then my dad uh was an oil man. So we went between Bismar and Golden, Colorado my entire growing up because he was in North Dakota for doing oil and then in Colorado teaching at the school of minds.

o whether that I'm sure that contributed to the way I thought and the way I did things, but I was pretty much an introvert nerd and um started working with electronics when I was like 10 years old at RadioShack. So, if you're talking about aging yourself, that should help.

It's like you're Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory. I I don't know if I was that I I I would say he's pretty far on the artistic um Yeah. Yeah. scale. Um hopefully I'm not there and I'm not sure I would have run all the companies I ran if I was at his artistic level.

No, no, no. But I just meant his love for Radio Shack. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, yeah, my daughter's been loving the young uh young or yes, young young Sheldon that series. She's just diving. he loved that. She thinks it's absolutely hilarious. Um, anyway, sorry, keep going. I got sidetracked with Radio Shack. There you go.

o, um, I started working really young. I, um, kind of the first thing I started selling was Fireworks. And then there's uh team electronics in the Midwest, which was the first distribution sales company took on the Apple product. And this was we're talking Apple 2 computers. And this was right after teve and Steve got everything kind of going and selling the Apple 2. And so I bought my first Apple 2 serial number 98 from them.

Wow. and started programming um in basic in 6502 assembly at the time and became pretty good at it. And um a couple years later, a gentleman in North Dakota bought his first Apple because he wanted to do accounting for his third generational family uh family uh farm family. So he knew accounting, I knew programming. We got to know each other through him buying the computer from me. This is right when he bought his Apple, the floppy drive came out.

And um because I remember those. The only thing you could Yeah. The only thing you could store on an Apple 2 prior to that was a cassette tape, which sucked. It was really bad. Y um it worked maybe 20% of the time. o, um I started coding. He told me what to write and uh we got the accounting software and then we sold it.

made a bunch of money. Cool. Went into severe depression after after building the company and selling it. Yeah. And making a bunch of money. And what happened is nowadays it's very common to talk about how people win the lottery and destroy their lives. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I have I don't know if I have all the answers, but I have an answer that happened to me and why. And that is what happened is in the material world, we're taught that we go work, we make money, and that, you know, when we achieve those things, we've done what we're supposed to. And and I'd achieved every goal at that age that I thought I had.

And so I had nowhere to go. I had no path. There was like It was like, I'm done. Your purpose was completed. You had no purpose. What I thought was my purpose was completed. Exactly. Right. Right. Exactly. And so, um, I remember scraping my way out of there by creating three goals that I can never fully accomplish, but I can always strive for.

And that is to learn, to have fun, and do neither at the harm or impedance of others. And and with those three goals, I kind of scraped my way up. And then I got hired by a bank in San Diego and my boss's name was Chris. And he was a tried and blueue atheist.

And even though I have zero issues with people believing whatever they want to believe, for me it didn't sit right for him to have that belief. So I dug into it in my engineering way and came up with four questions that I could ask him or anybody that basically shows that all the upside is believing we have a soul and all the downside is believing we don't regardless of whether we do or don't.

Okay, now you've piqu my interest. What are these four questions? Okay, so assuming we're a piece of clay, meaning we have no soul. Mhm. and we believe we have no soul, no harm, no foul, right? And if we're a piece of clay and we believe we have a soul, the worst thing that happens is we might do nicer, better things.

Yeah. And when we're alive, we'll feel good about we'll feel we'll have a good feeling about life because we will just go, I have a soul, so I feel good. Yeah. Exactly. If we have a soul and don't believe we have a soul, then we're stuck. we're not going anywhere.

If we have a soul and believe we have a soul, then we have the ability to expand into what we're supposed to be or could be. o again, whether you do or don't, not going to argue it because I can't prove in scientific terms you do or don't other than some things that have happened to me. Um, and I would argue everybody I've ever talked to in my life, I can point at things that show them they have one, but but that's a whole another discussion. So anyway, it changed his life fundamentally in answering those questions because he was very math

driven and and and had that kind of focus. And so that allowed him to break into okay, you know what? I'm going to play with the idea I have one and kind of see where that takes me. Then I'm going to take an offshoot because Sorry, were those Sorry. Were those the four questions? That's it.

Those are the four Yeah, those are the four options. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Right. Well, and you can ask, right? You can make them questions, right? Okay. So, just walk through them again just so because I like I I was so engrossed in what you were saying. So, let's walk through the four again just so I the listener understands. So, first start with we're a piece of clay. We're a piece of clay.

And if you believe you're a piece of clay, what happens? Yeah. Okay. So, right. Right. Do you believe you're a piece of If you're a piece of clay and you believe you have a soul, what happens? which you actually answered. I mean, you said it. You, you know, you're going to feel better. You're going to feel maybe a little Yeah. You're gonna feel better. You're gonna have I'm a piece of clay with a soul, so therefore I feel like I have some purpose and I'm here. Yeah.

o, you already started answering the questions even though I made them as statements, which is how they work. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Ninja move, man. That was ninja move. Okay, got it. All right. So then the part of the two questions is all right let's assume you that you really do have a soul and what happens if you believe you don't right if you have a soul and you believe you don't well then yeah so if I had a soul and I didn't believe I had one then I'm going to be walking through life going what's the point what's the Really?

Exactly. Yeah. And if you have a soul and you believe you have a soul, then you have the ability to actually evolve into and to and yeah to evolve into who you could who you are. I've often thought of it as an amnesia pill. Like you all of a sudden like we came down, we were a soul. We took an amnesia pill, came down here to have fun. Like we're up there, you know, you're up there and you're talking to all your buddies and you and me were up there going, "Hey, let's go do this and you take that pill, you be Chris, I'll be Eric, and then we'll talk on the podcast and but we won't know each other for 50

plus years, but then we'll meet each other and then we'll do this fun ex but we'll take an amnesia pill and we won't even know we're doing it." You've been reading ahead. Okay. So, okay. You have been reading ahead. You're going to love this. Okay. All right. So, I'm going to take two side trips and then come back, okay, to the soul part. So, during my entire life, I've always had a fascination with theology and I've studied pretty much, well, I wouldn't say all of them because that's not possible, but I've studied a bunch of them and done some pretty deep

dives into the different theologies, what they mean, what they say, blah blah blah. And on top of that, I've had some very what the normal world would call not real things happen in my life that happened. And not only did they happen, but a couple of them happened in such a way that they are they can't be imaginary from my perspective. Now, other people can listen to me tell you the story about them and go, "Yeah, that's BS and whatever." But some of the things that

happened were so physically real that you that I couldn't step away from it and say, "Okay, the universe is what I'm told it is." So at 6 years old, I had a a big out-of- body experience. The world went into kind of vapor smoke. Everything had that that texture and and consistency of like tissue paper or smoke. There was a toy train on the floor that I picked up and it had like no material um essence and I could hear voices forever and I could see through the walls, see through everything. So scared

the crap out of me. Ran it to my parents. It went away. 8 years old happened again. Played with it a little bit more. Got scared. Ran away. Came back. And and of course the next morning it's well that didn't really happen, right? because we're taught that those things aren't real.

Then that takes me to the another sideline of, you know, how many kids see ghosts and then they're told that's not real and it's make believe and and all this stuff. Well, I would say kids are a lot more open to what's really real versus what we're told is real. Anyh who, and and just as a side note, just as sorry, as a side note, at six and eight years old, the chances that you dropped LSD was very very low.

Pretty minimal. pretty minimal. You know what I'm saying? The chances are pretty minimal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know what it was. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then at 12, um, because I started working at a young age, I did something that I really wanted to do, and that was I bought a Cal King water bed.

And so, and water beds, of course, you don't see them anywhere anymore, but back in those days, it was a big deal. And so, I had this Cow King water bed that sat on the carpet down. I had the I lived in the basement of the house and uh I was sitting against the bed and this out of body experience hit again and I'm kind of playing with it and listening and looking and seeing all kinds of crazy things and all this and I remember turning around. I took my finger

and I pushed the bet and it moved like three inches. Okay, freaked the crap out of me. ran up to my folks, went away. Of course, they told me it was dreams, blah, blah, blah. The next morning I go down, there's a mark in the carpet where the bed had been. Now, you tell me how I move.

You actually pushed the bed. You tell me how I moved a cow king with my one finger. Not a cow king, not a cow king normal bed. Cow king water bed. You and I are the same era, man. Because you talked about Radio Shack. You talked about water beds. I know exactly what you're talking about with the water bed.

Those things are insane. You cannot move them. You can't move those things. No. No. They they are massive. Okay. So, that shifted my perspective on reality in a big way. o, that combined with theology. Now, I'm going to take us back to and I had some other things in near-death experiences and other stuff which to just put a pin in the infinity within which we'll keep going around to. The Infinity Within is a non-fictional memoir of a fictional character that you follow through his life. And I'll stop there. Now, back to the soul. So, with

that kind of background and now me really focusing on the question of do we have a soul? The very first thing my engineering brain says, okay, great. What is that? And what the heck am I doing here and why? Right? o I start digging into it. What is a soul? Well, okay, dive into theology.

The Bible tells me we are the children of God. Jesus tells his disciples, "You will do everything I have done as your teacher and much more." Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. And there's a bunch there's not just two chapters and verses like this. There's it's throughout the entire Bible discusses that we are the we have inherited all the abilities of God that we are the full children of God that we are able to do everything that Jesus showed as a teacher. Great. Okay, back to the question. What are we doing here?

What's the point? Okay, so a soul, let's let's I'll put a little wrapper around it. is a energy being that exists outside of time that has the ability to do pretty much anything. Well, what does anything look like? Could only come up with three things that a soul omnipotent being would do.

Create stuff, meaning universes, planets, whatever they want. Destroy stuff and play games. Great. Now, we take a look at the planet Earth and let's wrap it around the construct of a game. What makes it interesting? Well, first off, it's a fourthdimensional universe, meaning the primary motivator is time. Time doesn't exist in three dimensions below. And in five dimensions above, time is no longer the primary motivator, meaning the most important moving part. So, in a fourthdimensional construct, planet

Earth, we have time as the most important part. Great. What does time allow an omni potent being to do that would be interesting? I could only come up with one thing and play a game kind of. Okay. Um, what could what could time um let me let me reverse that just slightly and then that'll give you a hint.

Okay. Why would I play a game in a fourthdimensional universe that would be of interest to a soul? I think it comes back to what I was saying before is the only thing that would make a game interesting is that I didn't realize it was a game so that I gave myself amnesia to go and play it.

You know, because you're super you're you're right around there. But the the main reason to play the in the fourth dimensional universe because it has the passage of time is experience or experience emotions. Yes. And and so the the underlying connectivity back to my statement is how could a sto how can a soul experience emotions if it's an omni omni omni what was the word you omnipotent being omnipotent. Thank you. How can it experience emotion if it's an omnipotent being? It can't because it's omnipotent.

o there's no like it it's everything everywhere all at once. It can. And I'll tell you how. Okay. What makes a game a game? Uh that there are a set of rules. There's uh there's an advers there's two parties. They're playing against one another. We'll call it pieces.

Yeah. There's pieces. Yeah. Um there's rules and there's um and there's a uh defined outcome. Like there's a there's a how turns like there's turns. You take turns. Okay. You take turns. Okay. And I guess under the rules under the rules would be this is how you play the game. This is how you win the game. Right. Okay.

o there's only three things that make up a game. Mhm. Rules, turns, pieces. Okay. Great. Now we're going to now we're going to we're going to hit exactly what you've already said. So, we're at the pearly gates called the Planet of Earth game, and we're a soul, and we've decided we want to play because it has the ability to experience emotion in its fullest extent.

But what are the rules? Rule one, when we go play, we agree to put all of our soul-like abilities up here and leave them up away. We don't take them with us. Now, that kind of works except for exactly what you said is I'm running, you know, my dog's running, my favorite dog's running across the street, gets hit by a car, I have my abilities up here. I just pull on them and go, "No, no, no, that didn't happen." Right?

And okay, I change it. Well, that doesn't really give me the ability to experience emotion, at least not all of them. So, rule two. Rule two is I agree to forget that I ever had them. There comes back to my amnesia pill analogy. Yes. Agree to Okay. However, however, those two rules by themsel create an infinite trap loop which a soul assuming they're really intelligent wouldn't do.

o rule three comes in and that is I'm going to have turns meaning lifetimes. And before I agree to enter into this game, I'm going to kind of decide what my turns are going to look like, what goals I want to achieve for a goal for a turn to be finished and what number of turns or things I want to accomplish before I leave the game look like.

And so when I'm playing the game and I'm in a lifetime, I'm in my turn. If I don't accomplish what I'm what I've set aside from the early agreements, which I've forgot, which I've agreed to forget I made, right? Then I get to do this turn over and over and over until I figure it out. And then I get to go to my next turn and my next turn and my next turn and eventually leave the game.

And the fourth rule puts a pin in all of us and says in order for me to play, I agree to be 100% invested in the game during the time I'm in the game. Meaning that I'm going to feel and be all of the emotions because I'm not here to just as a soul. I'm not here to play just all positive. I want I want the whole gambit. I want all of it because I'm a soul. I want the whole experience.

I don't want just the positive stuff. I can do that and be bored somewhere else. In this game, I want to be 100% invested in the entire range of emotions that are possible for a being to have. And then there's four more rules that are in the book. But with those four rules, it it hits exactly what you said, the amnesia pill. It's part of the remembrance part.

of where Jesus and the other teachers tapped into what they really are, what we really are, and then said, "Hey folks, I figured out these connections. Let me show you how to do them." And then it's up to each one of us to take from that what we can or will ee. This resonates with me. like I I can feel that it's like the weight comes off the houlders and it starts to make more sense and um I I also I love the fact that and so here's I see the mirror in you and me right because I have also as a result of

my experience so I'm a recovered alcoholic I had 12 18 years sober the whole purpose there is well it's good for everybody else actually what it This is good because you don't want me in active ignition. It's not good. But thank you. The whole thing for me has been seeking a higher power. God couldn't what if you were sought and it's like the world is a treasure trove of information. So go seek a higher power. If you seek the higher power, that's how you stay sober. And it actually solves all your other problems

at the same time. So as a result of it, step 11 is um you seek through prayer and meditation to improve your conscious contact with God. Praying only for knowledge of his his will for you and the power to carry that out. As part of that is go and read all these different areas. So I've done again same disclaimer as you. I'm not a I'm not a theology expert or anything but I've read the Nisar Gadata Maharaj. I've gone the Bagavad Gita. I've read the Bible.

I've read they're all pointing to the same thing. They all point to the same thing. And the story are different story is the same. It's different. Yeah. My good friend Don Barno, bring him up again. He's he calls it He goes, "Oh, it's just different branding. It's like a business, right?

There are all these businesses and they're just different brands. You got Pepsi, you got Coca-Cola, right? So you've got you've got Christianity, you got Muslim, right? It's just a different brand, right? But they actually are all pointing to the same same the same point which is and I love how you took it from a from a engineering scientific point of view. Logic those four logical questions about a soul. Are you a soul or not? And then walk through it logically and then go logic dictates that the that the right the smartest

answer is four. You are a soul with a soul. you you you are a soul and you believe you you have a soul which then ties into the whole game and ties into all the other pieces that Jesus talked about that the that that it talked about um you know the the bagavad ga which I think is an incredible story when you really dive into it and understand the nuances of it um but it's all pointing the same thing and so um I love how you've tied that all in man dude this is

awesome I can't wait to read your book I haven't read your book I got to get it like it is going to be the first thing I'm going to order. Um, it's the first thing I'm going to do after we get off this podcast. Please do. Um, the the first the introduction. Yeah.

I bring up four leaders or teachers would be a better word. Okay. And my mom gets very she she understands it better now, but she got very upset with me on my fourth choice. Okay. o the first four teachers I talk about in the introduction of the book is Jesus, Buddha, Echart Tol. Mhm. And Elon Musk.

Okay. And the reason being is that they are all teaching us what we're capable of doing when we remember who we are. And even though I would not I would not say Elon would stand up and say he's a religious leader or a piritual leader, he has absolutely broken the rules as far as you can't build a car dealership and win in today's world. Well, okay, he completely did that and then took over the world with it. You can't land spaceships. It's impossible. NASA's been in the business spending billions of dollars. And in a

few years, he's landing ships and reusing them constantly. It's impossible to run multiple multi-million dollar companies from one person. Yeah. Did that too. So, he's been consistently told you cannot and it's impossible. And said, you know what? I'm not going to listen to you at all because I know what I can do. And has done it. And so whether it's Jesus teaching us how to heal or love or reincarnate or those things or the Buddha telling us how to stay in peace and how to how to really

be present within our own presence, right? Um or Echartol and how to steal the mind and understand what we are truly. You've got Elon showing us from a more material point of view, but also from a creation point of view what we're really capable of doing. And remember, the three things that a soul ultimately boils down to as far as what they do is create, destroy, play games.

Well, what is he doing? He's creating in a big way. which gets also back to your comment about the 11th um step is when you start tying into that consciousness and start reaching in, what you're really doing is tapping into creation. And when you tap into creation, the rest of the stuff gets in your way.

That last line hit me very deeply. When you're in creation, all the other stuff gets in my way. Very much so. Yeah. I'm very much like I love creating businesses and coming up with new ideas and and and it's playful. It's fun. Like I've I it's interesting. I've actually been made a couple videos on that for the few businesses that I've had and I and I I came back around and see this this is where the synchronicity comes in, right? I'm starting to see the game and this is awesome, Chris. This is so cool. Okay, I was literally just

doing a podcast or not a podcast, doing a a video for the accountant success formula, which is I'm coaching accounting firms how to get their freedom back and have a better model. But I said, you know, I'm seeing feeling all this heaviness and this deep and everybody's getting everyone's just feeling and it's heavy. And I said, we need to relax and have a little fun here and laugh. Laughter is that highest form of energy vibration. It's joyful. It's fun.

We need to have a little more fun. That ties right into the game, man. Like, when you're actually playing the game, it's fun, right? Yeah. I mean, how many people in Monopoly when they're playing Monopoly with their friends complain about being the bank?

It doesn't happen. Being a bank in Monopoly is fun. Yeah. Well, what the heck is the difference between being an accountant in the real world and being accountant in Monopoly? your perspective. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because they're not they don't see it. I had this vision a while ago of writing a book called uh Life is a Sandbox. Go play like like we're all just building temporary sand castles and like and I would picture little kids.

There was this um there was a sandbox that was at the at the kindergarten where I grew up and it was quite something. It actually had a fence around the sandbox. It was a fence and it had the little turning like at the turning kind of um uh doorway like it was the sliding that that shifted open but the parent you'd dump all the kids in there keep it closed. Well, I thought well why do they have the fence there?

Well, the fence there was to stop the dogs from going in and in there. I'm pretty sure that was one. Number two is that you put them in there. You didn't have to worry about them. So, the moms would all throw the kids in there and let them go. But then there's little Timmy in the corner and he's building a sand castle. And then Johnny comes over and he kicks the sand castle over and he starts crying and he's upset and the parents are looking and finally like I better go get my kid.

You go and you pick the kid up and he's crying and you're just like relax. It's just a sand castle. It's not It's not a big deal. It's just temporary. It doesn't You just get to play with it and then it goes away. And that's what I've had this vision of life that it I've kind of wrapped my head around that and going it's just we're just in a temporary sandbox having to playing a game like and it's and and I see the creator looking down on me every time I have my temper tantrum and I cry and I freak out. It's just the same way as a mother coming in and picking up his

little son going it's okay. It's just it's just the only the only shift I would give you is that creator that's looking down on you is actually you. Yeah. There's the brain burner and there in lies the shift. That is a big that is a huge shift because instead of seeing God as this the father we are actually and that's what Jesus said too.

I know the father and I are the father he keeps saying the father and I are one and I love this I shouldn't say I love this I probably get blasphemy and all the Christians are going to hate me but I don't give a They're like, "There's only Jesus is the only son of God." I'm like, "Uh, he never said that." Never.

God, that Jesus is the one and only son of God. Like, where did that come from? Like, where did it happen? Didn't happen. No, he never said that. He said God the Father. In fact, Jesus is Jesus is quoted as saying multiple times, you are you are me. We are We're one and the same. You will do everything I've done and so much more. Yeah. He he's very clear about this. Yeah. Yeah.

And what's interesting, so when I was a child growing up, my parents are United Methodist and we went to church. And then I had some friends that were I even had friends that were Orthodox Catholics, which is pretty stringent in the way they look at things and and stuff.

And the one thing that never sat right with me, not that it's wrong. I mean, everybody has their beliefs and they're all okay, but for me as a child growing up, it never sat right with me that I had to look up and put Jesus on this pillar and put God up above me.

Yeah. And and I never understood it. I mean and and when I came up with the concepts for the book 40 plus years ago, I didn't even really understand it as crystal clear is when in at the beginning of 2025 is when my wife said, "You must finish your book." So I sat down for three months, four months and and took all my notes from 40 plus years ago and wrote the book. And when I put pen to paper is when this concept actually crystallized for me.

And that is maybe all these teachers, all these theologies don't want pedestals. Maybe all these things that they're teaching us and talking about are there to remind us of who we are. And then what's interesting, go read the Bible with that concept in mind that we are all co-creators in this game and that we are all able to do everything that these teachers are telling us. and then start reading the chapters and verses with just that just that little

hift and all of a sudden they become really clear. They like for me at least when I was reading the Bible and after putting pen to paper and actually crystallizing this thought process and then actually rereading it again, it was like, "Oh yeah, that chapter and verse is actually literal. It's not empirical. It's not way out here.

They're saying it because it's they're literally saying go do this now. And one of the interesting things about Jesus is when he did things, he didn't say it's going to happen next week or next month. He did them right now. The healings, the changes, the the shifts, there was no delay.

He tapped into his what some people call the source or the the co-creation part of us or the the part that we agreed to forget and he went and did those things. Now, okay, here's a fun here's a fun thought. Do you think Jesus broke the rules by recognizing his soul while he was down here? Do you think he broke the rules of the game? Just just I'm just I just thought about that because the way you perhaps the right question. So there's two ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Or part of the game is Yeah. Well, think of it this way again. When we agreed to come in, we agreed with we already kind of laid out our floor plan and very rough because they you don't want to predetermine everything because then what the hell's the game, right? If I if I go into Monopoly saying I get Boardwalk and Park Place to start, what's the point? But what I am going to say is I'm going to move pieces around.

I'm going to collect money and I've got this go thing and I you know whatever the rules are. So when we come in as souls, we don't want to restrict ourselves. We want and oh by the way I'm going to take a little side bend here. Do you play tic-tac-toe?

Oh yes with my daughter. I play hours of that. Yeah. It's so fun. But how much do you really play? I mean is it that much fun? I play around with I used to play around with my daughter when she was little and I would just muck with her just and then finally she got it and she was like, "Oh, well that's fine." Right. Right.

Now she Okay. So, so tic-tac-toe we could all pretty much argue is pretty boring. I mean, once you figure out you can block everything, you're pretty much done, right? Yeah. Okay. So, you got this omni potent bee not going to pick a simple game to play.

It's not going to have simple turns. It's going to be complex as all get out. And one of the things, one of the things that's talked about both in the Bible and the agnostics is the archons. And the archons are supposed to be the cre creators of realities. Now, there's a very in the agnostic point of view, they're they're dark gods that feed on negative energy, negative emotion, negative energy. I took a little softer approach. And the reason I did is I

aid, "Well, if I'm an omni potent being and I'm a co-creator of this game, I'm probably not going to put really evil tuff in necessarily, like things that can really harm the essence of what I am. But I would agree to put in some players or playing pieces that could really make my life challenging and difficult when I'm playing and have the ability to reinforce illusions.

And one of the things I discuss in infinity within is this concept of fear, doubt, and the curtains of illusion. It's called the orchard illusions which is the thing that we call real and the orchard hush which is when we start connecting to what we really are.

And one of the things I discuss that that Gabe discusses with his mentor Elias is well why can't I remember kind of getting back to your question about Jesus breaking the rules. Was he breaking the rules or was he quickly attaching and remembering who he was, which may be why he left in the way he left in maybe just one turn. He may have only played one turn, right? Oh, like let's put it this way.

Maybe he didn't break the rules. He just he won he he he leveled accelerated for him. Yeah, but he got he he he he won the game, so to speak. Like he w he went ah remembered who I um ah got it like it's like someone has also mentioned it to me they've it's like you ever do um escape rooms like in escape room and and my daughter loves escape rooms and she's 13 now. So, we go and we're doing the escape room and um it was really interesting because we were trying to figure out and trying to figure out how to get out and trying to

figure out how to get out and then all of a sudden my wife went, "Oh, I think I figured it out." And she pushed the button the door open and my daughter was o pissed. She was so pissed. I was so angry at her. She goes, "Mom, " and she was all upset. Like, you just you solved the game. And I wanted to be the one to be part of the solution. Like, so it's almost like if you think about it that way, I Aaron went and solved the game and Isa got upset because she's like, "No, I still wanted to play it out. I

wanted to find the exit myself." Why did Jesus get crucified? Maybe there were a bunch of players that didn't want the game solved. He was he was just about he was being my wife. Jesus was my wife and he was showing the the solution. And just as he was about to go and push the button to open the door, everyone went, "No, no, no, no, no, no." Because I'll tell you right now, if my daughter had had an opportunity to stop my wife of doing it, she would have she

would have thrown her up on that cross in her heartbeat and go, "Nope, no, no, no. I want to keep playing." So, so the for the people that needed to hear what Jesus had to say, which people are still hearing for a very long time now called the Bible, that's his teachings and the things he chose to do for his game still exist.

But he may have completely reattached to what he really is and been done and then came back to show everybody what is possible and then left from the game permanently. But ultimately what he did now he may have played turns before this too. I you know I I don't know but he was here for a purpose. And you know this comes I think a while a couple ago you're talking about you and I meeting and having this podcast.

ome people call these things coincidences. I learned a long time ago there are no such things as coincidences. In fact I have a a word for this. It's called there are no such thing as quinkadinks. And and that is that growing up I could be at a coffee shop or a restaurant or pretty much anywhere and random people would come up, pull up a chair, tell me their life story, we'd have a discussion, they'd get up and they'd leave. That was it.

And a lot of times I'd have people say, "Well, that, you know, that's just a coincidence. They happen to be there and they happen to want to talk." And I said, "I get that." But what I learned is there are no such things as quinkadinks. These people sat down because we are connected.

They needed to come talk to me. They needed to hear something I had to say and I needed to hear something they had to say. So we made an agreement up here. We then came together in time, achieved whatever it is that we wanted to achieve and then separated which the original name for this book was actually called the soul path. And then I decided to go with the infinity within as a different name. But but the original idea was how our soul path is always connected and intersecting and there are no quincadinks.

Everything that happens happens because it's part of the grand picture of our co-creation. I heard absolutely everything you just said there, but I cannot get my attention off the fact that you just aid kinky dink because dude, like this is where the connect this is where you and I must be brothers from another mother because I remember I remember as a kid my dad saying that. It was a Here's the quote. Oh, yeah. He called it a coach. Oh, yeah.

Okay. That's the only person that's ever told me they've ever heard that word before. No, no, no, no, no. As soon as you said that, I felt like a little kid again, and I'm going, I remember that. The quinky dinks. My dad would call it a quinky dink. That's amazing.

Who knows? Maybe, maybe in the past life, I was attached somehow. o, but but you see, but let's go back to what you said is that and what Jesus said is that we are you and I are one. We're the same. We are the same. And there's a little it's like the game of clue. You're trying to find clues to the game. And there was one clue that was just a little kinky dink that just gave me the kinky dink. It just said, "No, we actually are the same person. We are the

ame being. We are one." Because there was the And there was the little It's like the escape room. There's little clues everywhere, right? And we're down here playing and having fun. And I love the I love the way that you've simplified the the soul's purpose is to create, to destroy, and to play, right?

Because that's what's happening the whole time here is that things are constantly in a state of creation to solution. And that's the game. That's that's part that's the game. That's And again, that's exactly right. Spot on. There's there's the koinky dink again.

The Viking Academy. So, I do shots in the Viking Academy. So, anybody who wants to join the Viking Academy, they join the Viking Academy, they get extra resources, but I do every two weeks I do what's known as a Viking shot. And basically, I'm just sharing my thoughts of what's happening currently and what I'm exploring in my experience. And that was one of the things that I was sharing like I just shared that like that it that Yeah. Like that's that's amazing. Well, that's but

you see there's the there's in the last 24 hours these kinky dinks are like flooding me right now. Like this is nuts. This is this is this is fun. Wow. Wow. Okay, so My uh spiritual guide Tammy Grantham talks about this too. She said we give each other codes, right? Like we're sharing codes. We're doing that. We're haring this information back and forth to give ourselves clues to say, "Oh, here's another clue. Oh, and oh, I can go play with this now for a little bit

and then I I find something more like, oh, and I feel like I'm getting close, right?" And then something hits me, knocks me down. Like in this week has been the same thing. I had some business news that brought me down. A couple big clients gone and so cash flows dropped.

Then you go into that three the fourdimensional scared and fear. I'm feeling all that crap. And I've been just going all it's part of the game. And the I said that and the I put that perspective, kinky dinks are happening all over the place. Yep. It's how it works.

my my wife had a a a challenging um childhood and we got together and and we met in an Diego and uh we now have three young boys and during our journey together she's asked me a lot of questions because I tend to look at life in a pretty positive way and it's not that I don't think bad things can happen because bad things do happen it's just the way I approach them and when they hit me I try to look at them always as a learning experience experience versus a damaging experience. And I'm

not successful all the time, but but pretty well. So, she would always ask me questions and I would pull from excerpts from what's in the infinity within. And that's what got me in, as I mentioned earlier, at the beginning of 2025, she says, "You must you have to this the things you've shared have changed my life so fundamentally that you must put this in this book. you need to get it out into people's hands.

o then you ask your question, was it a quinky dink I met my wife in San Diego under the terms and conditions that I met her under, which would be considered really strange. Um, or were we meant to meet and then go through what we went through and then get this book out, which is yet another set of codes that we get to pass back and forth. Yeah, I've got a new sense of lightness right now. Like a um like a a a joyful um yeah, it's lightness is probably the the best word for it. Like there's like

a little spring and I'm kind of like, "Oh, oh, right. This is a game, right?" Like it's all of the all of the things you've been talking about and all the connections that we've had like the word kwinky ding man that how how could that have been an actual code unlock right that right that one right there that was like that's insane I I kid you not I've talked to many many many people and you were the first person ever to reflect that back and say they've heard that word no you brought me right back to my

childhood that's incredible Right. I was right back in the 70s listening to my dad say that stuff and I was like, "Wow." Um, there's a lightness and a and a joy. So, like for me part, so the Viking Academy has been for me a entrepreneurial venture like creating a brand new platform, but I haven't had a real clear vision on what it was going to do or right. And I've been just kind of going, let's just play with it and let's just see what it wants to what it wants to be. Like I honestly believe the Viking Academy has a a soul of its own almost,

right? Like it's it's wanting to play and be part of that and and it's a creation and it's playful, but it's so different from anything that I've created in the past. In the past, it was very three-dimensional. Here's the business, here's the like kind of like what you you're doing programming, accounting, put it together, crunch that. This one has been more I don't know free flowing and fun and it's the exploration like on these podcasts and I find and I I get all

these different codes it's just it fires me up like it just I get more energized more fun um yeah so okay you literally just finished this book Then it got published. So I finished it the first three months of January. I've been a self-publisher. So what happened was let's jump all the way back to when I was 20 in the depression. Okay.

Um I started answering all those questions. Came up with the construct of all the things we're discussing including the eight rules and then hired a ghost writer to write the book because I wanted to make sure that the details of what I put together were formulated.

The ghostriter lady kept wanting to make it her own story and putting her own stuff in it. So I fired the ghostriter. I took all my notes and I put them in a filing cabinet, but I because I had not I was not an author. Writing was not a comfortable thing for me and um I'd sold my first company. And so I went the technology route. I went the materialistic route. I went the serial entrepreneur route and I founded 11 other companies and I took one public

and my largest company was 1, 700 plus employees and the rest were either acquired or merged and so I've had a very successful high-tech entrepreneurial journey. But through all of that, the fundamentals of what we've discussed have been in play. And so even though I was a workaholic and really didn't have a lot of time for family, which is why my family's, you know, a little later in my life, I mean, I was working 17 hours a day, seven days a week kind of stuff.

And because I was in the middle of the creation of stuff I really love to do and that's what I did. And so when when we met in San Diego and then decided to move to Texas, I kind of disconnected myself. Plus, I had a company, the last company, which doesn't isn't in the 12 because I was co-founded as the 13th. Interesting number 13.

Anyway, my my two partners that brought me in ended up self-destructing the company by trying to get half the investors to take over the other one and blah blah blah and destroying the company. And I was kind of fed up with the whole thing after that. And so, I disconnected from that whole environment.

And then when I moved to Texas, I started writing books. And the first book I wrote had to do with a hobby I had in San Diego, which is building houses. And so it's called How to Build Your Dream Home. Um, and it's a 10 book eries of which five are published. The sixth I've got illustrations I'm working on. And it got me comfortable in the authoring way. It got me comfortable putting what was in my head to paper.

And then I wrote a book called The Finance Book for Young Adults, which is a finance book I wish I had had when I was in my teens because nobody teaches business and money and how money really works and how the ultra rich look at money and why they look at it so much differently than we do. And then that what's what's that book called again? Um finance book for young adults.

Okay. And um so that gave me the confidence and the knowledge of how to write a book and take all my notes from the filing cabinet and sit down and finish this book. And then I chose to use Beloa Press to to publish this one instead of my own publishing company um because I wanted to get it in the face in front of Hay House, right? And uh and I've had a couple discussions with the CEO there and we'll see what happens. But u it's it's the same CEO.

No, unfortunately Luis H who founded the company passed. Um let's see 10 years ago or so. She sold it to her accountant. No, no, didn't sell it. She passed. Um what happened is you're talking about Reed who was hered yeah Reed is now the CEO. Reed actually was Yeah. He was brought in as a CEO when Luis was still alive.

Oh, okay. I thought I thought he owned the company. No, he doesn't own it. It's actually owned by Penguin now. Um I think it's Penguin. It's one of the real big ones that bought Hay House a few years ago. He You're actually spot on that he was the accountant and he left his accountant job to become her CEO.

Yes. And then they worked together for I want to say 10 15 years and then she passed and now Reed is is the president CEO of Hay House. And I've had a couple talks to him directly like this. Um so we'll see where that goes. One of the exciting things is I just sent a hard coverver copy of the book to uh Esther Hicks office here in San Antonio.

Awesome. o, we'll we'll see. I mean, Melissa, who's been a fantastic she she works with Esther has been fantastic. She says, you know, she can't promise anything, but that they have an interest in taking a look, so they have it. So, we'll see what they do with it.

That's cool. That's so cool. Okay. So, then where where can people get the book now? Is it I've been blessed. Um, so right now you can get it even at Walmart. Um, you can get it at Barnes & Noble. You can get it at, shoot, there's a there's a store in Norway, I forget the name of it, that you can buy this in. Now, um, if you go to chrisland, kand.com, that's my main author page. Um, and there's other support pages. There's the infinitywithin.com.

Um, there's the infinitywithin.me, which is dealing with the 21day companion journal that I put together for people. Um there's many places if you type in the infinity within um by itself or with Chris land I take over like the first three four five pages of Google. Okay. So you can you can find it.

That's awesome. Okay. So now that the entrepreneur in me which is I'm playing now with it. I'm playing with the entrepreneur role like shall we call this is the role I'm going to play as the entrepreneur. What what do you have in your vision for this chapter of Chris, shall we say? Because Chris was doing all the other, shall we call it, the other businesses in the past that were like three, four dimensional. Now we're talking about actually breaking through and and showing you how to play the play the game to almost solve the it's almost like you're giving us a a how here's how you solve the game.

Here's the here's the right for those who want to to actually find their their solution to the game. It's like the Rubik's cube. You ever I you remember I I I learned how to solve the Rubik's cube Rubik's cube. And once you know how to solve it, it's kind of like it's boring. Well, then that's why they've created like four and five and six and seven layer Rubik's cubes. I envision that this world, this Earth is it's not a simple Rubik's cube.

It's like a 10 layer Rubik's cube that we're trying to unwind. And you're just bringing a book that says here's how you olve the 10 the 10 level 10 by 10 by 10 Rubik's cube, right? Well, it's it's a it's you follow Gabe through a story because again and and I've been extremely fortunate in the reviews I'm getting, which is the book does not preach. It doesn't tell people what to think or what to believe. That's not my goal. My goal is for you to follow Gabe through a story and read

what he accomplishes and learns through his teacher Elias, who doesn't really teach. He asks questions, lots of questions. And so through Elias answering, I'm sorry, through Gabe answering Elias's questions, you get to start seeing potential mirrors of things that have happened in your life. And as I mentioned a while back, I have many people that just sit down and have a talk with me. And out of every single person I've talked to, there has not been a single one that hasn't had miracles of some type happened to them

that they were told were not real or you made it up or came up with their own reasons not to believe in it. But when they started really talking about it and digging into it, it took on a reality, which is one of the things that the Infinity Within kind of helps take a look at is you have coincidings happening every single day.

And when you start paying attention and asking what does it mean, what is it, and why, you start breaking down doubt. Doubt is the thing that keeps the illusional veil in place of reality. Doubt is what the archons play on. And let me give you an example.

Let's say that I want to sit down and I want to take a spoon and I want to bend it. One of my favorite scenes in the Matrix is when Neo goes and the child says, "Yeah, the spoon's not real." And understanding that, then this is child's play. Yeah. I'm not bending this. He go, "How did you bend the spoon? I'm not bending bending the spoon. There is no spoon. There is no spoon.

He's doing this." Exactly. So, so let's let me take a look. Let me share the emotional context that I go through when I bend a spoon. And this might resonate with a lot of people. So I go there and I'm concentrating and I'm doing all this stuff and it's not bending. It's not bending. And then all of a sudden I get it to bend.

I run two emotions back to back and within milli of each other. The first one is elation. Oh my god, I bent the spoon. The next emotion that hits like in milli is no, you didn't. It's make believe. The spoon snaps back to its normal shape and it never happened. And so what happens is doubt naps into place even though I was able to breach doubt for for a moment.

asking questions and understanding what doubt is and the power of doubt and the power of removing doubt meaning 100 as close to 100% belief as you can get. The closer you get, the more you tie into what you really are and you can teleport and you can bend spoons and you can move paper and you can do all kinds of really cool stuff. We have them happening all the time.

We're just taught to ignore them. that doubt that crops up that and the fear that comes with doubt that that is the thing that really hits me like as I've been exploring through this and so I I've shared this on on other podcasts and um I've been I've had experiences visiting interdimensional beings.

They've come and met me in the middle of the night and and we're talking. I'm awake. I'm looking at them and it's terrifying and I'm screaming and my wife goes, "Are you okay?" And I'm like, and then they disappear. I did a past life regression or a spiritual regression to see my spirit guides with Tammy or with Nikki Hughes and they all showed up there and they were all there and I'm like, "Holy crap." Like, but then I experience it. But then I hear I have some friends that say I that some friends that go, I listen to your podcast, man. You're getting way out

there. Like you're really starting some You're doing some weird stuff. Yeah, Eric. You're like like I was following you in the beginning, but now I can't quite really follow what you're talking about. The interesting thing, Chris, is that I actually I didn't react the way I thought I normally would, which is would be like, "Oh, okay." And kind of get like this. I was just like, "Okay, fine. You don't have to.

I know what I experienced." But but there's always that little sliver of doubt. And every time I have a sliver of doubt, I feel fear. Bingo. Every time I have doubt, I feel fear. Bingo. They work hand in hand. Fear and doubt are the concrete that keep the illusionary veil in place. As you look is look at fear as a signpost.

Underneath that signpost, you will find a doubt or doubts. Eliminate the doubt. you get to belief and you get to see through the veil and see what you're really capable of doing. You know, I it was interesting. I had this vision and I wrote it up on my whiteboard um which was the Viking it was a Viking Academy vision and the Viking and it was something it was forge a new operating system and realize how powerful you truly are.

Bingo. That was that was the vision I had on there. I wrote it on the board and I saw it and it felt incredible and it was like, "Oh, this is it. This is it." And then all of a sudden, you know, a little bit of doubt popped in. Oh, a little bit of fear popped in. Oh, yeah. You can't do that. And I'm walking away.

I'm like, "See you. Bye, Right." Like, I'm gone. Like I And then I stopped, right? Because the fear and the doubt came in. But that that hit me very clearly like it was forge a new operating system kind of under the guise of the Vikings, right? We'll call it spirituality wrapped in a Viking blanket. Like forge a new operating system and realize how powerful you truly are. Exactly.

Which is the same which thank you for that Chris because now all of a sudden I'm like that was the teachings of Jesus. That was the teachings of the Buddha. That is the Nisarata Maharaj. That is the bag of Vad Gita. Yeah. Different words, same thing. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. That Thank you. I I mean that. I like the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Like that just you've Yeah. Now I see it. Now I see it. Now I see Now I see the creation the thing that I'm going to play with with the Viking Academy. Absolutely. In the book what we what I try to so the re the way I learned how to write Gabe as a character came from reading Echart Tols the new earth when I read the new earth about 10 years ago I got a certain amount of things out of it. I then set the book down because

it's a it's it's a pretty deep read. set it down and about three years later I picked up and read it again and it's like somebody came to my shelf, took the book and reprinted a brand new book because what I got out of it was completely different than what I got out of it the first time and then I set the book down and two years later read it and it's like um yeah, I didn't get any of that this time. I'm hoping that the Infinity Within does that for people that when they read it, they get something from it, but then they pick it

up and they're more open or more ready or or just have a different perspective on how life operates and they get more from it or different from it. And every time they pick it up, they get something new from it. They've experienced that same thing. any any book that has a spiritual truth behind it like it's a spiritual truth like a truth let's put call it that spiritual truth I'll go and pick it up and read it and I'll go I don't remember them having this part in here because I I couldn't see it or I couldn't comprehend it the first time I read it. So like every time

o the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous is one of those ones literally people say this all the time. and they go, I opened it up and read it again and all of a sudden I was like, when did they put that in there? And everybody's laughing because and the reason why everyone's laughing is because they all experience the same thing. Because when you first come in, you're clouded, right? You don't have perception. You can't see things properly because you're still clouded with all the toxins and the and the thinking.

And even after you stop drinking, you have to get your mind reoriented. But you're reading this book and all of a sudden it's like, they wrote something new in here. And it's like, no, it's always been there, but I know what you're feeling because I did the same thing, right? I didn't see it. So, like every spiritual book I've read has done the same thing. The Bible's the same way. The the bag of vagita. Um, yeah, they're all the same. So, I would I

would say your the infinity within is this book that you've written in a spiritual energy. It will have the same effect. I'm hoping. I'm hoping. Yeah. It hasn't been long enough yet for anybody to test that theory too much. My mom's run it like three different times and says she's gotten a lot out of it. So, that's been really cool.

That is cool. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, it is. Um, um, sorry, just to come back to the qu that I just want to come back and finish the first question that I had about this. Do you see any with business that wraps around the infinity within or or how you bring the message out or like what do you have a vision on that? Yes. So, um, in a similar way, I have the building wealth clinic, which is similar to your Viking thing. Um, I got in out here in Texas. Um, I started working with a, um, a VC group and a angel group and doing

business uh, building and helping entrepreneurs either get their company back online or starting it from fresh. Um, building wealth uses a combination of AI and old world techniques to build companies at a much faster pace than what could have been done before AI was available.

But that even though I was having a lot of fun and I was really enjoying and still do enjoy the the people I'm working with, the infinity within has given me a different depth of spark where not only am I changing people's business lives, but I'm changing the way they look at life. And that's been a profound change for me because it's it's really powerful to see what it's doing. Um, o I want to get The Infinity Within in everybody's hands. I've already finished

the full draft of the book for this. This is actually a trilogy and it's called and it's called The Orchard Hush. And I already have a b a rough outline of the third book, which is The Light That Stays. And the idea is the first book kind of gives people an understanding of how to get reconnected and start really being what I think we really are. Um, and it gives you tools to do it. It's it's it's kind of like baby stepping through actually reattaching to these things and doing these things. One of the one of the things that was fun was two weeks some two months after I wrote the book and

published it, one of the social media things came up and there's this school in India where they have kids and they've got these little glass globes with a little pin and a piece of paper inside a pin wheel and it's covered and they sit there and they concentrate to spin it.

Well, what this is doing is it's allowing telekinesis to become real. Not real real. It's reattaching these kids to that before all the blocks and all the things we're told we can't do. These kids are young enough where they haven't been taught all these can't do. And so they're sitting there spinning these pin wheels in this class. Similar to bending the spoons.

Those are baby steps for reconnecting, seeing through the doubt, seeing through the curtain and actually connecting into your creation co-creation capability. And then it was funny, there's a YouTube channel, Neville. Neville. Um, God, what is his name?

Oh, Neville. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, I can't think of his first name. It's not It's not Eard. It's It's an otter. It's a I have probably have it. Um I know I listen I've been listening to his podcast or his YouTube stuff and it's like okay either he's a past life version of me or he read my book or I read his book that he never published or I never saw but the stuff he's saying it's like holy crap. Um this is right on. So, the things I have in the infinity with it. Neville Goodard.

Neville Goddard. Um, feeling is the secret. Feeling is the secret. That was a manuscript you Well, that's a that's an Neville Goddard was like way back, man. I'm talking a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what's interesting is I discuss a past life experience in the book that happened to me when I was in my I think I was 21.

Yeah, I would have been about 21ish, I think. 21 22. Uh, I lived I just had moved to California. I think that's right. And um, a friend of mine's friend was getting married and they knew them well. So, I got to it up at the bride and groom's table across the table across the table from the groom's mom and dad. Dad's name was Richard. remember this because of what happened. So, we're sitting there and just talking, normal. We've never met each other, right? We're just having a

full-on conversation and we start talking about this manufacturing floor in Chicago and these Mercury sedans and this particular type of amphibious vehicle for World War II. I forget what it was called. I could bring it up. It's in the book now because I wrote everything down. So, we're having a full-on discussion about how actually he and I worked together on this floor and had barbecues together and knew the same people and had a full-on discussion, right? We're like for a half hour

talking about stuff we've done together and we reconnected like we're having two friends reconnecting, right? And then I look over at his wife and his wife is taring at me and she is sheet white and she says, "Um, how old are you?" I said, "Well, I'm 20." It was 20. She says, "Um, you need to understand that you two right now are having a conversation of things that happened 40 years ago.

o yeah, what we're taught is real, not so much. I mean, the Egyptians dig pretty deep into reincarnation and how that looks and why. And the turnbased system makes a lot more sense now. Yes. And it there's been a feeling I've had this I've had this feeling that there's been lost knowledge that we had back way back when that we just forgot as part of the game. Like it was a forgotten. It wasn't like it's a it's not this oh it's a tragedy we forgot.

No, it was part of the game. We were supposed to forget because we did because it's part of the game. And that just brings the lightness and the joy back into it. is like, "No, if you look at Machu Picchu, you look at the pyramids, you look at all this stuff, it's like, I'm sorry, guys, you don't we don't even have the technology today to build that stuff like like understand it fully or even understand it fully. Like, I mean, you see rocks pulled together and it looks like they've been melted

together. You can't even put a piece of sheet of paper together and like like how is that possible? No, it's melted, right? But we it's technology that we and abilities that we forgot because it's part of the game. Now I feel like we're tarting to wake up to it because that's this phase of the g where we're actually starting to talk about this more. And um and this is the conversation I had with my good friend uh Don Barton again. we were talking about on the pod the podcast I recorded with him yesterday

actually which he wanted to talk about and he's a behavioral economist beautiful guy beautiful human being he's a good he's one of my best friends and he wanted to have the podcast to talk about where spirituality and econ economics meet and it's a whole new way of being and so I see this what you have with all your experience of building businesses and pulling it all together and now you've brought in the spiritual and bringing it and you're bringing this is where they're going to meet, right?

It's like it's not spirituality is over here and economics is over here. No, it's all one thing. All creation, right? Yeah. It's all creation. And so that's where that's where I was asking that's where my my mind was going like where do you see this infinity within coming out and continue I'm gonna continue to get the other two written. I'm going to continue to reconnect in a big way with people like yourself and all over the globe. Um, I've already talked with a I've already had a couple podcasts with uh some folks

in Australia, um, Barbados, um, Italy. Um, so, you know, getting getting this out there and and still applying business where people want me to apply business because I have a fair amount of business experience that I can help people get their companies off the ground or do stuff and work with. Um but exactly what you were showing the melding of the two has become a a much bigger reality for me. Mhm.

And you know I did the material thing. I did the material thing in a big way. And what's interesting is that the beginning of my material story actually started with the spiritual part of building the infinity within construct and then it went in a filing cabinet.

Mhm. and then 40 plus years later came out of the filing cabinet and created a full circle. o it's like all the materialistic stuff I did, I learned what I really enjoyed. I love the creation and building companies and and working with people. And you know, people say, "Well, if you've done it once, it must have been easy doing the company." I said, "No, company's totally different than the first one. Third one's totally different than the other two." And I've got stories that are just some of the stuff you can't make up. um in each

company, but it's all wrapped around the infinity within concept construct wrappers around that whole time. And it gives me a very, I think, unique perspective on what to go, which is why I'm kind of struggling and answering your question. Where am I going with this? I think I'm just going to see where it takes me.

Okay, let me can I put this I'm putting this out there, dude. Okay, my vision for the Viking Academy is that I did Viking because the Vikings were explorers. They they encompassed their mind, their body, and their spirit, right? They were warriors and because they had such a strong connection to their spirit, they live they want to die with a sword in their hand, right? So these are the these are the explorers and they're con they're they're fearless explorers

academy because I see this is like a school and and if and there's a do you remember the uh spiritual teacher Krishna Murky have you have you done any listening or to him at all? I don't think so. Oh dude you should look him up. Krishna Merty he was supposed to be the next coming of Christ and they thought he was going to be the chosen one and and but his teachings are so piercing it's amazing his concept. He said, "A mind that is constantly learning can never be

hurt." So I was like, "Well, okay. If we're in a constant state of learning, then we're constantly being open and it's a there you're never attaching solidly to one thing." So it's like a chool. You're constantly learning. So I kind of put the Viking Academy as a as an earth school.

Do you know what I mean? But it's not one but not an earth school in the sense of learning how to build construction tuff. It's reconnecting and forging the new operating system to realize how powerful you really are. So I see it as a school for awakening.

And but I don't see myself as being the teacher so much as maybe the Barlaman Bailey's ringle leader like the greatest howman on earth or whatever is that I'm bringing together the collection of teachers like yourself and it becomes a platform like I want to see it as a resource platform for awakening. Yeah, absolutely.

To the power within. Right. Exactly. So, so I'm putting putting that out there because that's kind of what I'm actually open to it. Yeah. Because that's what I'm looking and I'm bringing together the people and I'm and again with your knowledge of of platforms and stuff like that. Maybe we can make something incredible here where we can bring it out in a big way and it's not it's not just one teaching.

It's it's and the interesting thing it's all branding pointing to the same direction, but everybody can have their different path. So, it's like it's almost like pick your own adventure game. Let's think of it that way. Like you get to pick your own adventure game.

All of the roads lead to the to the final point, but you get to choose which which which way you want to go. So anyways, that just kind of came to me just now. Yeah, absolutely. Um there's there's many ways. Well, again, it gets out of quickinks, right? Because as you build these tools, as you start doing the ring leading and/or leading, um you're going to make connections which are not coincidings.

They are intentional. They are because we are ultimately all connected and we are all creating hints to how to play the game and how to do more of what we maybe want to do. You know, there's everybody's on their own path. Everybody's on their own thing.

Um, but for the people that are on this particular path, we might be helpful and instrumental in guiding them on along that direction. Bingo. Bingo. Um, okay. I'm really excited to go play more now. Um, as a result of this conversely what we wanted and I love it.

Yeah. And Oh, Chris, this has been awesome, man. Um, again, the infinitywithin.com is where people can go. They punch that in. That's one of the places. Yeah. chrisland.com or the infinitywithin.com or just Google. Okay. Awesome. Dude, we've got a lot more conversations and more playing to do together, but we should wrap up the podcast for now. So, thank you so much for reaching out. Uh, this was not a kinky dink. This was awesome and this is great, man. I'm looking forward to it. So, thank you again for being on the podcast.

Thank you, Eric. I very much appreciate it and we'll do this again hopefully soon. Thanks for listening to the Viking Academy podcast. Make sure to leave us your honest feedback by leaving a review on Apple or Spotify, and hit subscribe so you never miss an episode.