What if true healing begins in the unseen?

In this episode, I sit down with Marilyn Prebul, spiritual shamanic healer, intuitive guide, and founder of Rosa Mystica Spiritual Healing & Home Clearings, whose work helps people build spiritual resilience, clear energetic interference, and return to alignment with their true identity.

Marilyn’s spiritual path began with a deep intuitive awareness in childhood and was later shaped through years of shamanic training. Her approach blends prayer, nature, and intuitive discernment to help clients release trauma, generational patterns, and spiritual blockages that weaken their inner foundation.

This conversation explores healing not as escape, but as restoration, strengthening spiritual boundaries, reclaiming inner authority, and living with greater clarity and protection. Marilyn shares how understanding your energetic landscape can transform not just how you feel, but how you move through the world.

Topics We Explore:

• Clearing energetic interference and strengthening spiritual boundaries
• Releasing trauma and generational patterns that impact the spirit
• Understanding divine alignment, prayer, and intuitive guidance
• Developing spiritual resilience and discernment in everyday life
• Reconnecting with inner authority and a deeper sense of faith

Connect with Marilyn Prebul: https://rosamysticaspiritual.com/

Learn More about The Viking Academy: https://www.vikingacademy.com

Episode Transcript:

Hey everyone, welcome back to the Viking Academy podcast. Now today I have for you Marilyn Prebul. Now Marilyn is a workshop success coordinator. I hope I got that right. Um for Strategic Coach. So I I get a lot of great podcast guests from Strategic Coach. They tend to be the entrepreneurs that are sitting in the room. Marilyn is actually one of the people that work at Strategic Coach and she helps facilitate the workshops. Now, interestingly enough, I had no idea what she did as her business on the side until one of the members told me about it and they said, "She's a shamanic energy healer." And I went, "What? You I got to get her on the podcast." So then I walked up to her and I in the last workshop I was at and I said, "Hey, I hear this is what you do." She goes, "Yes." Kind of tends this is what I do on the Viking Academy. I want you on the podcast.

And she's like, "That sounds amazing." So, we had this incredible conversation and um she gets into we get into talking about where negative behaviors come from and and and addictive behaviors and and I I talk quite openly about my alcoholism and she's explaining how these are she called it earthbound spirits that are actually attaching to ourselves and and get drawn into us and um how to deal with them. This is the big thing here. you actually figure out how to deal with them. There was a lot of she and she at the end she drops the ultimate simplifier on how to discern between a negative spirit and a positive spirit. So we can call it negative positive. How to discern whether or not the messagings and the intuition you're getting is actually in alignment for you or if it's out of alignment. So I kind of I likened it to Loki the trickster god.

He would come down and and that's a Vikings always talked about this is Loki would come down and he would mess with them and he'd do tricks with them. Well, Marilyn has the simplified method of ensuring to checking to see if it's Loki talking to you or not. Um we also go through um exactly the work that she does. She's going to be doing some work for me as well, some remote energy healing. Um this is a totally different podcast from other energy healers I've had. And it's the one thing I found really interesting is that each healer is so different. Even though they're shall we call it under energy healing, they all have a slightly different modality, a different approach, but their their vision and what I get from each one of them is always a surprise. It's always a surprise. And I hope you enjoy this podcast as much as I did recording it.

Um yeah, I'm not going to tell you tell you anything more other than that. um because uh you have to go experience the exploration yourself. So without further ado, let's go explore. Marilyn, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me, Eric. It's great to be here with you and happy new year. Yes, happy new year. Um so uh as most of very most of my guests come from the wellspring of all good things which seems to be strategic coach. Now the interesting part is though you were not a participant in coach you're actually working at coach. Yes I am. And and it wasn't until I think it was um oh uh Christa Christa Clive Smith she said oh did you know that Marilyn's actually an energy learner? I went what the [ __ ] I went, "No way.

I got to have her on the podcast." And then when that was like, we had that exchange at the last workshop I was at and you were like, "Oh, yeah, I am." And I'm like, "Well, we need to get you on the podcast." Yes. Thank you. And that's been about the basic that's my base knowledge for all the listeners and anybody watching the video out there. That's my baseline of understanding of what you do. So, so why don't you give me a little more background on, you know, um, what you're doing, but I'm really interested in how you got into what you're doing, but let's get into what you do now, and then I want to get into like how you got into it. Okay. Yeah. And it involves strategic coach. So, again, the wellspring of all beautiful things that seems to be happening in my life. So, there you go. Absolutely. Yeah.

Well, so um yes, I am so one of the things and I've been doing this since well I started my journey in 2010 but really since 2018 I have been working um with clients um who are looking to have a transformation in some part of their life. And as a healer, I I would describe it as spiritual shamanic healing. Okay. So, it is working on the level of energy as well. Okay. Okay. So, you mentioned energy healing, but really it's what I do is to help people um overcome blocks, negative patterns, um remove what those obstacles are, whether they can see them or not. And oftentimes when my clients come to me, they have tried other um modalities or they've they've had a persistent situation whether it be on the physical level, whether an illness or um most often it's a pattern that they have been experiencing in their life. For example, a sense of I have a lot of bad luck in this area.

I might be successful in these other areas of my life but perhaps say in relationships I see a certain pattern. So as a as a spiritual shamanic healer really um working spiritually. Okay. So when I say spiritual healer working with God, with the spirit guides um and with the spirit realm of God consciousness, okay, to guide me uh to find that root cause um on the spiritual level to open that up, to remove it um and to help that person um have a have that transformation, right in their life. So it I really see this work as a really important pillar of well-being in addition to everything else. This is one more thing. It can often be the uh the difference that someone has been searching for. you know that where they may not have been getting the results through for example say therapy or through um western medicine or different modalities they start to see a shift in their life.

So this again this aligns perfectly with the Viking Academy. It's all about the body, mind and spirit. And so what I've been and it's interesting you should say that um I I'm very curious to hear how it intertwines with with strategic coach because um and there's a couple things I want to ask you now that because I've been going deep into the book uh there's this beautiful book that I've been reading called Spiritual Economics. Okay. Um Eric Butterworth I believe is the fellow's name and I just like literally just finished it.

literally just finished the book and it's all about a god consciousness and and applicable to economics and you and I are all you know we're in the strategic coach world so we're dealing with entrepreneurs all the time so I guess I'll go down this route with you first is saying well did how did you have you been working with entrepreneurs in the spiritual side is that where the main focus has been or how did this dovetail in with spirit like with strategic coach like I'm very curious on that. Yes. Well, okay. So, I Okay, that's a good question. I would say that my clients um so I have a very to stay in integrity. Let's just put it that way. I do not seek out clients in the strategic coach community in my role when I'm working with uh you know in my role at strategic coach, okay, which is coaching, supporting the program.

Um so I am an a certified life coach through the international uh coaching federation and the work I get to do at strategic coach is primarily in supporting entrepreneurs in uh implementing the the concepts and the tools and the amazing um work of strategic coach into their lives and businesses and the the spiritual work I do. I find that yes I do have clients who are entrepreneurs. Um but I they are a lot of my clients are coming through um through referral. Um and I really started to develop that by going and exhibiting at various healing arts fairs and um metaphysical fairs. Okay. So that's where I started to draw uh my clients to me in my business. Um and and that totally just for for clarity here and we'll put the disclaimer up. It's like we do not you don't we don't when you're at strategic coach I'm I'm a coach now there at Strategic Coach.

So I'm actually coaching the workshops not just taking them. And when I'm in the workshops one of the first things I tell them is that treat all your participants as fellow peers not prospects. Right? So I totally understand that but I'm very curious to hear how if there has been if you've seen any kind of filtration with entrepreneurs coming into the spiritual finally addressing the spiritual side of their nature. Do you know what I mean? Like the the Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely.

And and that's what I appreciate so much about the entrepreneurs who are in strategic coach is because that is the spiritual component is uh a very important part of their growth like and and that it it's addressed it's it's something that consciously I see as a with entrepreneurs and strategic coach that they are pursuing that and I know that many entrepreneurs and strategic coach um they are uh working with another healer who is doing the same work that I do um and that's actually how I ca came into this work was through that healer um who is Australian and um he uh has been working with Dan and Babs and started working with the strategic coach organization and um I remember I think it was 2006 okay and I was still in Toronto and um this healer um he goes by Kim White or Daniel White came into Strategic Coach and did a clearing for the space of our office in Toronto.

And uh Dan and Babs were so generous and offered anyone who was working there. They said, "Hey, you know, if you're interested in receiving a spiritual clearing, um we supported and and we'll help pay for that." And I'm not sure that that's legal to do today, but um anyway, at that time, I jumped on it. I was very intrigued. Um I and so I had my first experience of a spiritual clearing session and it was it was that one session if that was the only thing I had done that changed the trajectory of my life. Um it was incredible the result I experienced. You know, I would say at that time, you know, I carried a lot of weight, a lot of like not physical weight, but emotional weight. Um, you know, I always felt really like sad and um everything just felt like such a struggle for me, you know, that I felt like I had a lot of bad luck in my life, okay, would be the case.

And I was married at the time. And I'll never forget when I came home after that first healing session, the spiritual clearing session. My husband at the time I was sitting in the living room and we were talking and he just kept on looking at me like, "You're different. You know what happened?" And I told him about this spiritual clearing session. He actually thought I was acting because I my the way that he was perceiving me was so different. You know, he he couldn't he couldn't come to terms with it. But for me, I felt like, wow, I feel so much freedom, you know, that this this burden has been lifted from me energetically. And so that was um my introduction to it. And uh in that first session I purchased the book by uh Victor Baron called human humanity spiritual plague.

And uh I started reading it and this is uh the the book that the the person our teacher Victor Baron who teaches this uh wrote and I started reading that book and reading it and I knew in my heart I was like I have to learn more. I felt drawn. finally felt called to uh dive more. Not that it wasn't at that moment that I felt, oh, I'm a healer. I've always been very intuitive but it was like a knowing like I need to know more because you know at that time I was I was seeing therapists I was seeing doctors you know I I was actually taking anti-depressants at the time and I wouldn't say it was an over it was definitely not overnight but over a period of a few years um I transitioned away from all of that you know so so the symptoms that I had were not were being treated a certain way. Okay. But the the symptoms I had were actually symptoms of a spiritual attachment that I had. Okay.

That was um you know affecting me in a very negative way. o that was where it began. And then you know that was 2006. And then in 2009, I I was getting a divorce and I moved from Toronto to California. Um, and this was with Strategic Coach. And the that was already in process that, you know, I was going to move there and focus on the Santa Monica workshop experience. Um, and that was a very difficult time with the great recession happening and going through a divorce and all of that. But then in 2010 I finally um you know started learning um learning from Victor Baron uh and that's where my path began and it was always congruent with strategic coach because of the work that we do at strategic coach which is also all a lot about transformation right yeah so um and you know It's uh been a been a wonderful journey that I've been able to you know do both. That's amazing difference.

I had no I so just for the listener out there so one of the things they should know clearly if I mean if they're you're an entrepreneur and you're listening to this there is no overt leaning and spiritual conversations at all in spirit in in strategic coach like zero. We'll call it zero conversations. But if you're really paying attention, you realize that all the teachings that Dan has come up with in the thinking tools are all spiritual principles. They're all I call it the world's greatest philosophy program wrapped in a business blanket, right? It's like a philosophy, but you could always I could always feel that undercurrent of spiritual connectedness through all of the the what Dan does and that this makes way more sense now. Okay, this this makes way more sense. So, okay. So you this is exciting.

So you got introduced to to spirituality at strategic coach through this generous offer from Dan and Babs and yes that's a lovely thing about entrepreneurs. We can do whatever the hell we want. If you want to give all your employees a free car, give them a car, go for it. You want to give them a spiritual healing session, have at her. It's great. That's I love that freedom. So that was what an amazing gift. So then you you woke up to what was part of your calling then? Yes. And so then you and then you got the book from Victor Baron. What was it called again? What was the book called again? It's called Humanity Spiritual Plague. Humanity spiritual plague. I'm going to hold it up right here. Um unfortunately, well, I mean, you could buy it on Amazon, but it's like $80. It's a hard cover. Um but, you know, if if you're interested in getting a copy, I can get one for you for $20.

But it it really talks about what the what humanity's spiritual plague is. Okay. And and what the problem is and what the solution is. And it's very simple, right? Okay. Well, then tell us. Okay. So, and and more more importantly for me is how do you see yourself being part of that solution? Right. Right. being part of that. Um, and again, I talk about the ethos of the Viking Academy and I truly believe that everybody was every person was put on the planet for a reason, but we're the only species that doesn't know why we're here. Right. Right. And then that's part of the that's part of the adventure is to discover who you are and what you're here to do.

This is a great I love this because like you're you're there you're in the muck you don't know what's going on and then out of shall I call it left field out of a business coaching program you get introduced to spirituality boom you start you meet or you get the book Victor Baron now all of a sudden you because when you talk about this you're this is your focus like you're very clear yes on what it is so um tell me about what the problem is what the solution is and how you're playing a part in it. Okay. Yeah. So, the problem is humanity's spiritual plague. Okay. The problem is that I'm going to try to keep this very simple.

I'm just going to keep it very simple and then I'm happy to expand upon it is that we have a problem with what we call addictive earthbound spirits or they don't not even necessarily addictive earthbound spirits but there are pe they're people who have passed on but who either haven't had the spiritual strength or awareness to move to the next level to go to the light so to speak or where they're where they're in their their next evolution. And and that's one level. And and there's various levels of these spirit spirits. And many have an addiction or are very negative in consciousness or lower consciousness where they don't want they want to continue to live their experience as a human but they can't in their spirit form. Right? So the and the only way they can do that is to um attach to the energy field of a human of us.

So this is this is why we call it humanity spiritual plague because there's many many and and some some people start to have these experiences and I just want to share it here because I'm hearing more and more that people are having a sense of they're seeing shadows or they might look in a mirror and and get freaked out because they sense something looking back at them or actually see something looking back at them or or they sense it within their own energy field. So there's there are people who are who are would not even say that they're spiritual or gifted and are aware of this situation happening. So these addictive earthbound spirits they you know it's the law of attraction like attracts like. Okay.

So um it's really important for us for humanity to to have good habits to have good hygiene in terms of what we're thinking okay like on the first level you know are what are your thoughts you know what are you thinking how how are you handling your emotions you know do you have this intense negativity or um you know it's this because when we have this negativity it sort of you know it it draws that consciousness that spiritual consciousness to us okay so you know one of the most important things we can do and this is I'm just giving a tip here is mind your thoughts and I'm sure in your audience that's sort of an under that's an understanding that's like a basic level you know and um you know to return to balance you know if you have something you know an anger you know or you negative emotions of sadness these are human emotions but to not dwell there okay to you know to return back to balance and to have balance in our life so we these addictive earthbound spirits can be attract like they can attract and they're looking for a host and the Only way that that can happen is you know when there is a break in the energy field.

So we all have an aura. You know we have an energy field around us. So you know that's it's not just taking care of our physical body and our minds but we have to take care of our energetic body as well. So um you know when when there's a break you know then that creates the opportunity the that that this addictive earthbound spirit can take to attach into the energy field. Now that's at the basic level of the healing work that uh I do is to remove any of that type of attachment that a person may have in their energy field.

But what can happen is if if there is an attachment and let's say the person you know I'll use my example you know just kept on I was really going into a a a lot of depression in those years you know and and was not I had very negative thinking you know and that's one of the greatest gifts strategic coach gave me was the gift of the gap and the gain you know and focusing on the positive focus and gratitude And so um you know that that really helped. But what can happen is then the addictive earthbound spirit is going towards the energy center of a person. So making their way to the spine. So people start to have you know physical like why is my my back is hurting? I'm having headaches all the time. I'm having bad dreams. I'm not sleeping well. Um I'm you know that my thinking I feel like I'm out of control with my thinking.

I'm having all these negative thoughts or impulses some people will experience like suddenly I want to take up smoking or I'm drinking too much or eating too much or one of the biggest problems right now is with addiction to um like video games to social media to all these forms of media and that in itself you know with the advent of all these beautiful technologies we've also um created interference with our own energy field through the disruption of of you know what the emissions of the magnetic field right so that in itself we're we're fighting against that even if we have very clear thinking and and you know a lot of love and you know selflove and and love for God and love for humanity and um you know really um every day is a great day kind of attitude.

Um so that that is that's at the basic level what the spiritual plague is is dealing with this because there are like I said that there these they're low consciousness they're not moving on and I'm going to put something else in there but that my belief is that we've all we've all experienced at least 400 lifetimes at this point. Okay. So the rate of incarnation is slowing down. Okay. And so um there aren't as many opportunities, you know, um and you know to your point that it's upon us. We are spiritual beings. Okay, that's the truth. We are spirit having a physical experience and there is a choice that our spirit makes you know and when we come into our lifetime to learn certain lessons on the spirit. It's for our own spiritual growth and evolution that we're here.

And so when we wake up to that, we have to wake up, you know, then that's where okay now that question of what's my purpose? What am I here to do? You know, it's not all about me. It's not all about okay having the comforts and you know these are all I mean it's great to have that because it allows you to do more but there is we all are here for a spiritual uh reason for these spiritual lessons and when you can frame your your life perspective through that lens you know you start to see things from a different perspective at least that's the case for me you know I mean I certainly see things differently and I know that there's no accidents that I was attracted to and started coming came into the strategic coach community and you know have have been a part of this for all these years.

Um and so um you know it's it's it's important right it's really important to to wake up to that and to you know recognize that truth it for regular listeners of the podcast will notice that I have been basically listening to you in awe right now because like I normally talk a lot more on these podcasts but I everything you're telling me I'm just like I'm getting hit with walls of realizations like and I have so many questions for you like ridiculous amount of questions now. Okay, so when you Okay, so here's a question. When these spirits come in and attach to us and and I totally resonate with this and I'll explain that a little bit later, but they come and they attach to you once you clear them away.

Do other ones still come in and attach to you if you can like do you can phase in and out of this attractive quality to shall we say the the plague or I I'm thinking of it almost like when we get sick or if we have like a an an infection or an a bacteria or a virus it comes at and attaches to us you get clean from that one but then another one shows up and grabs you. Do these spirits come in and attach us at different times of our during our physical lifetime here. So that you you say, "Oh, I cleared that. I'm done now." Or is it, "No, now another one can come and I'm just picturing these spirit blood suckers attaching to my body right now." Oh, no. Don't focus too much on it. But do you know what I mean? Like, do they come in and out? Right. Yeah. Okay. So, that's a good question.

So in a in a spiritual clearing session, okay, once whatever is there is removed, as a healer, you know, the I I practice spiritual hygiene, okay, this is really important and other healers who do the work that I do, we all practice good spiritual hygiene. And this is so important because what it does is when the when whatever whether it's an attachment or anything else that is being removed from the client it is it is going into a a a vortex okay that is given to God for that whatever is presented on that spiritual realm for God to handle. So, it's actually you're not just helping the client, but whatever that attachment is, they you've helped them move as a healer. You're helping them move on. You've helped that spirit move on. So, you're not only healing the client, you're healing the client and the client's spirit.

You're healing the spirit, the call, you called it earthbound spirits. Like they're bound to the earth. They can't get away from it. So they've these are spirits that have come down lived a certain lifetime and they're like they they haven't elevated or they haven't risen up or or enlightened themselves enough and they're still bound by the three-dimensional earth and they but they're spirit so they're kind of where do I live? Oh attach myself to Eric. Yes. Because his his vibration is such that I can I can magnetize myself to him because he's attracting that energy. That's correct. But you're freeing freeing that spirit and freeing Eric and his spirit and his spirit. And and another point about that is when when doing home clearings or for business like a clearing for a space, yeah, there can be a spirit present. And it's always in every single case, okay?

Where um I always ask if it is if it is of God's will for the spirit to remain in this space, that's God's will. But if it's not, go to the light. And there's I always have this sense of like gra like thankfulness and gratitude when that spirit goes to the light, you know, especially in a home clearing. Um, and there have been some cases where it was like, no, that there were some spirits on I did a clearing for a property in um, Northern California and it was multi-acres on a on a river and um, there were some guardian spirits because that this for this family they were they've lived there since the beginning of time. they're Native American and and it was so beautiful to see, no, these spirits are meant to be here for the land.

But so I I say that because I know some people may be hearing this and thinking, well, I'm I feel really attached to this spirit in my home because it's a it's part of my family or whatever it might be. It's always through God's will that it happens. So um getting back to your question about what happens. So it will be removed but it's important. I always say like with the clearing, okay, but you have to do the work. When I'm working with my clients, I'm like, there's certain things that you have to do, okay, as a client to strengthen yourself, okay, to to protect so that it's not so much that you're protecting you are protecting your energy field, but you're you're strengthening your your energy so that you're not susceptible to those types of attachments. But no one is immune. I'll just put it out there. No one is immune. I'm not immune.

there's nobody that's immune from this situation. Um, and it's it's, you know, possible that down the line something might happen and you're like, I feel a little bit off. But the thing is, when you're free of it, you're also can be more in tune to, you know, I think something's off. I think I might need to have a clearing. And so I know in my case um before I became a healer, I I just made it part of my hygiene, part of my wellness, you know, that I would have um a clearing um on a regular interval just to make sure that I was, you know, it wasn't going to get to the point where okay, now I have a really deep problem, you know, because of that influence. So, when you're explaining this, I kind of I'm likening it to your teeth. So, you go to the dentist, you get your teeth cleaned, and you get them fixed, and they're like, "Okay, we're all clean.

Great." And then you go away, and if you're not brushing and flossing and and maintaining good oral hygiene, you come back to the dentist, and they're like, "This is a mess again. Why do you got like That's one thing I, you know, my hygienist kept saying, you got to start flossing your teeth." And I started doing that on on a I would say a religious basis about 20 years ago. I'm like, "Okay, fine. I'll start flossing." and I floss every single time. So it creates that hygiene. I understand that much more with the spiritual side. Maintain the hygiene so that you're not attracting those spirits back in again. I have another thought that just came into my mind, which is, you know, since the beginning of time as a human race, we've talked about or or had this concept of that there's evil spirits out there and there's good spirits and there's this evil and there's a good and bad out there.

So we call it good and evil and you know that the negative spirits have have infected and and all of a sudden I just had this kind of a aha moment. I went wait a because when you explained it to me I and I'm not seeing negative or evil spirits anymore. What I'm seeing is suffering spirits. Spirits that are suffering that need to go that the relief you said when they felt like they were going to the light. Yes. So then when negative things are happening or when evil, shall we call it what we would have deemed as an evil spirit in the past is more of a suffering spirit that needs my love and empathy and understanding and free and helping it free itself so it can go to the light.

Am I am I correct in that in that analogy as opposed to going there's pure evil or is there you know I'm just yes that that takes it in a different direction because what I'm talking about with the spiritual plague that's one situation okay okay and yes the way you describe that is absolutely correct suffering spirits or spirits you know people who maybe were lower they were lower consciousness they were like ah I love my addictions, you know, I have no desire to give them up or become they I just don't want to awaken. You know, some people just like, "No, I'm I love this material world and you know, uh what you know, drinking, smoking, whatever it might whatever the addiction might be." And they have no desire to give it up and no desire perhaps to even have uh an an aware and a spiritual awakening or understanding that okay, there's there's something more beyond this.

Um but yes, there is I have encountered so there's different situations um where clients particularly if they are experiencing let's say patterns of really bad luck and and sometimes this is a generational they see this in you know from one generation to the other to the other or within their own life this sense of oh my gosh that these bad things have happened um I I'll tell a little story I was um recently at an um at an ex expo in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I gave a talk um on curses and witchcraft and spiritual healing. You know what those those three because there is a situation where there there are negative spirits. Okay? And these are this is done through intent. Okay. So negative intent of one person towards another. Okay. And it could be as simple as a verbal curse, you know, and this is a real problem. Okay?

where um you know well it usually is coming through jealousy like well why does he have that you know or um I'll tell the story of the the man and this this was actually recorded this talk so that's why I'm going to share it he was in the audience and he came because he wanted to hear about this um he's a successful business owner um and he shared this about uh you know what had happened back in the 80s, he had to um fire somebody, a key employee. And um he's based in New Mexico, and this gentleman that he fired um was in the Native American community there. And the reason he fired him was because he discovered, you know, he was drinking on the job and it was causing a lot of problems. So, he let him go. And this man did not take it well.

and he said, "You know, I am cursing your family and I'm cursing your business." Like he was he had so much vengeance um towards this man, the business owner. And the gentleman um notes, you know, those that was back in the 80s and he said, "You know, I never believed it cuz I thought, well, what what can that what can that do?" But shortly after that happened, his wife and daughter were in a severe car accident um which caused his daughter to suffer um brain injury, a traumatic brain injury which from which she's never recovered. Um and his wife has had persistent physical problems since that. Um, and then a few months after that, another key employee that was part of the business developed cancer, terminal cancer, and died shortly after that.

And he said, "For all these years, I never I never really believed, but I see the impact that that had happened." And he said later that that man that he fired said that he went to someone um who did some negative type of work. And you know when I when I first started all of this I thought I that just seemed so weird to me honestly like the idea that somebody would do something negative in a spiritual way towards another person. And when I would hear witchcraft, I kind of chuckled at that, like thinking that's that's not a thing. That's just something you see in the movies or you read about it in books. But more and more as I've encountered clients in this work, um, and even with my own eyes, I mean, I was just in Mexico over the Christmas break and, uh, was in Guadalajara at the Marcado Corona.

Um on the top floor there's a whole section there and that marcato you walk through it and it's all that's all they're doing is offering um objects. They're offering uh they're offering works. I had a lady came she's like to me like what are you looking for? What can I do for you? And it was really I was just looking to see what's out there. Okay. And and this is really a thing that people do. So in in those instances um and I see it in different cultures um I have a sorry just so for clarity there they were what were they doing up there? They were they they had different they had different booths different stalls where they're doing witchcraft. Okay. Okay. Got it. Okay. Yeah. like witchcraft in the sense of you you want that person you want that that person's married to someone else. Okay. Okay.

I can do a spell that will make them want you or that that coworker or the person that you work with, they bother you. You don't like them. I'm going to do like there's a whole menu of things that they'll do. Oh wow. Okay. To like Got make that person go silent or um I mean you even go on Etsy and I'm not saying go and do it but if you just type in you know spells witchcraft spells if you look you look it up you see there's tons of it out there and so many people I will hear say including this gentleman who was in the audience when I gave that talk said because I don't believe it it can't affect me Okay. And unfortunately, that's not how the negative works. And yes, there are there is a negative spirit. And when I say a negative spirit, it's like really low consciousness that it will harm a person. Okay?

and um you know and and there's varying degrees of that and I've experienced that across different cultures um you know have different ways of of doing that. So um I it is it is real and the effect that it has on people. So that's a different type of healing that you know that or specialty that I have. I have been helping a lot of people with that situation. Okay. All right. So that that was a very good clarification for me because again I had this kind of aha that everything was good and that these are suffering but we actually do have malicious evil that is available that that aligns a little bit more with shall so we call it the human experience over the millennia and why they keep saying there's negative forces out there's evil out there that's trying to cause harm to you. Um it on a slightly more d like narrow shift on this.

I'm curious like when you're working with someone and you're clearing like what are you experiencing and how do you know like how have you attuned yourself to pick up this energy vibration or the spiritual nature and then like how do you pick up that that's there and then how do you send it on its way and how do you know like what is like I'm just filled with questions. Yes. Well, um, so the simple way to answer that is it's really I mean it's been through my own growth. Okay, so just through my own spiritual growth, but I would say the most important thing is surrendering. Okay, so I have to surrender myself. It's not me. I'm really aware of that so that the spirit world can can work through me through my spirit guide can come through and um it's uh I I for me and it's different for every healer. Every healer has different gifts.

Uh but for me I I actually will feel it in my body physically what the person um may be experiencing. Um and and then I will see I will see things. So um particularly you know when when um working on the the different levels you know we're working on the physical the emotional um if it's something on the emotional usually I I will actually start I will start to feel what they're feeling and sometimes I'm I'm crying myself you know I just the tears start coming um and uh that allows me to just focus in on that particular issue. And sometimes the client isn't even aware of because if it's a trauma, you know, there's a trauma there. It's never about the client having to go back and relive it. It's like, okay, I feel it. I see it at that age of cause when it happened. It's it's like the um energetically the person their essence is frozen there. Okay.

So where they are today in this present time they may not be 100%. Because oh at age 2, age six, age 16, you know the part of their essence was frozen there because of a trauma they experienced. So being able to see that and bring it forward to to release that what's frozen like an ice cube. And then sometimes there may be, you know, a leech or an addictive earthbound spirit attachment there as well. So to free that from the person. So that's why sometimes they're like, "Wow, I feel I feel free. I feel like myself again, you know, because that's been released and they never even had to go back and um relive that. So So being able to see it, being able to sense it.

Um so as a healer looking on all those levels the emotional the physical the spiritual um you know for the negative that I mentioned um you know within the cellular memory you know there's we store things within our cellular memory body mind and spirit. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That um okay this I So, I'm going to come back to what I had originally talked to. I said I'll I'll come back to it later. I resonate so much with what you're saying right now because it makes so much more sense to me personally from my experience. Um, I'm a recovered alcoholic. So, I'm like 18 years 18 years sober now. Congratulations. And literally, that's what it felt like is was I was I was inhabited by some other spirit when I was in that realm. And then we have what's known as this awakening. You have a moment where all of a sudden pop, you wake up. And I remember the moment I woke up from the from it.

And it was like I had been asleep or something. I went like I I like I came above the waterline almost. It's like I felt like I popped out over the waterline and I went, "What am I doing drinking? I'm an alcoholic. Like this is crazy." Like and it was like this I all of a sudden came to my senses. Right.

And so when you talking about these this negative or this energy that was having attach like other bound earthbound spirits attached to me that I totally got that's why when you first started talking I was just like and I'm just like mesmerized by everything you were saying because I've experienced that right and that's why another reason why as I was thinking okay I that was a big shall we call it release and I hope that spirit that was attached to me then moved on to the light as a result of my awakening and then everything that I've been doing and I've been practicing good spiritual hygiene for the last 18 years by the fact that I'm still sober 18 years later right that's what I'm doing on a daily basis I have to practice that spiritual hygiene shall we call it that you've called it and I and I love that phrase but the question that I asked I asked you notice I was asking well can other ones come in and attach to you after the fact or there's still some there.

That coupled with what you just explained in terms of these frozen blockages over my over lifetimes or spirits that have attacked makes more sense for me, right? Because I'm going even though I've had that big clearing or that big release of that spirit and that like literally spirit. That's what alcohol is called, spirits, right? Like spirits. Yes. Hello. Is it a coincidence? I think not. Okay. So, so that I I'm ex I'm I'm thinking about my own I want to not say recovery recovery through the alcoholism is a different thing but just my awakening my spiritual work that I'm doing on myself is how I see I can see that there's more work to be done because there's still these negative things that are happening or negative thoughts or feelings or or or patterns that have happened in my life over over a period of time. Yeah.

And so the fact that you can go in and then through your you said you started what is in 2009 you started. I started uh learning with Victor in 2010 and then by 2018 is when I actually really put myself out there in the public. I felt like okay I am a healer. You're a Yeah, right. Yes. Yeah. So you finally said yep I can step out and and actually say I'm a healer. Yes. Yeah. I'm I have a I have a um a group that I want to introduce you to and it's the Viking Academy, the healers wheel. We're doing a monthly mastermind group and it's all healers, spiritual healers and energy healers and sh like you will get along with them like so well. It's incredible. But I've gone in the middle of the meeting with them and I said, "Yeah." I'm like, "You guys are all healers. I'm not." And they laugh at me and like like, "Yeah, you are. You just haven't stepped into it yet.

You're actually healing what you're doing right now. You're a healer right now. But I still haven't like So I'm like Yeah. Haven't stepped into it. So it took you eight years to finally step into it to say now I'm I'm that person. Yes. Right. Okay. So um All right. Oh, where do I go from here? Well, one thing um I want to add if I can to the to the the piece about the attachments. What happens um is that when you have an attachment, you know, our own spirit, it pushes our own spirit out. Okay, so that's another big again on a basic level, the two most important healings. The first one is removing any addictive or earthbound spirit attachment. And then the next is spirit insertion of your own spirit. So I see a lot of people because if you have an attachment naturally your spirit it it gets it it starts to you know detach from your body.

I mean it's always attached but um it's you're floating out there. So, some people experience like, "Oh, I'm I'm always tripping or bumping into doors, or I feel clumsy or a little bit spacey, or some people will experience an increase in their psychic ability um because of that situation." And it's really important to after they're clear to bring your it's it's like a grounding. You're get grounded. And I I the way I see it, it's like you're grounded to mother earth. Your your spirit is within your physical vessel and and now you're able to move forward like wow you you know like when I shared at the beginning about my first husband didn't recognize me. He saw me so different. Well, my spirit had been out of my body for so long and then when my spirit came back into my body like and I was really grounded, I felt so great.

You know, I saw things very differently in my life, but he saw me very differently. And sadly, you know, we had dated and got married and all of that. And I wasn't really 100% in my body, you know, because I had this attachment. So, it's really important to bring the spirit back into the body and that's where you're grounded and strong and you know again that's that's really important and it prevents that situation from happening you know and there are things you can do and I always give guidance to my clients about what to do as a followup to to stay empowered um um with that stay connected to the true self. That's correct. Like you, that's, you know, I've I've had that happen multiple times where all of a sudden I And the phrase is, "Oh, I feel like myself again." Yes.

Like I when you think about that phrase, it's kind of like sounds insane, but it's totally but it resonates with every single human. They're like, "Oh, no. I totally get that." But it's like, "How can you feel yourself again? You've always been yourself." No, we clearly haven't. And what you're explaining, your expla explanation of that makes way more sense. It's like I'm here. I'm physically here, but I'm not myself because myself is is detached from me because of or is my spirit is not with me. I'm not aligned with my spirit. Not completely. And and this is why I keep coming back to this simplistic or the simplifier of going your mind, your body, your body, your mind, and spirit. Right? the Viking Academy ethos. This is an exploration of those three and bringing them into alignment. Like once they're when they're in alignment, your body and your mind and your spirit are in alignment.

I I feel whole. I feel strong. I feel energized. I'm happy. I'm like looking forward to doing things. I'm I'm filled with energy. Right. Yeah. And that's what I find that like at Strategic Coach when we're working on our mind or our thinking, all of a sudden when your thinking gets in alignment and all of a sudden you see a new possibility and all of a sudden you see these entrepreneurs in the room, they all of a sudden they go, "Oh." And they get excited and and that's to me I love seeing that. I love seeing that pop. Oh. And it's like they go, "Oh, this is an opportunity." And it was like, "Yeah, because now you can see they're they're integrating themselves, right?" Yes. And and then you you see it also in the rooms too where people are they haven't been taking care of their body.

So maybe they're aligned mentally and somewhat spiritually but their body is out of alignment because they haven't been taking care of themselves. And you see them, you know, quarter after quarter and they're disappearing. You're like, "What happened to you?" And it goes like, "I'm finally getting into health. I'm getting healthy now. I'm getting into shape. I've lost 100 pounds." I'm like, "Holy crap." you're like now all of a sudden you see them for the first time, you know, like you see the who they are. So through those three lenses and bringing it together and that like for me that's the ultimate that for me that's the ultimate goal like is the the path to the higher self which I'm in alignment with my mind and my body and my spirit and I'm actually then I feel like then I'm here then I'm here to fulfill the purpose I'm here for. That's correct. That makes sense. Yes. Yeah.

And that that's part of like now you're you're really living your your karma, whatever that may be from those past lifetimes. And then Yes. It's like now you can have that connection, you know, of okay, you know, now when you sense your intuition, okay, because that's when your body, your spirit, everything is in that alignment. You don't have those attachments. you can trust more what you're sensing as your intuition, not the I don't know, you're hearing something or you're getting an impulse but it's not yours and you kind of know that but now your intuition is going to be really clear and you can trust that. Yes. That's because that's where I've and that's been my experience is like I'll get these feelings and I'm like uh no I don't really I don't really trust that or I don't feel like like I'm not but that's my thinking mind blocking out my intuition.

Like I'm very much a cerebral person like a lot of thinking goes on. So I block that spiritual side or that intuition out. But I know my experience has shown me that every time I've listened and aligned with the intuition and followed what it's told me to do, it works out great. Whenever I've gone against it, it's turned out badly, poorly. Like painfully, painfully. So, don't pick up that drink, Eric. Don't go do those drugs. Don't do that. Oh, no, no, I'll be fine this time. Right. And then you just I wouldn't go and do it and then it would be a absolute train wreck. Yes. Right.

And it's that so this is this alignment with and it's this is completely in alignment with with the teachings of the 12step programs too which is contact conscious contact with God with your creator which is clear away the wreckage of the that's what the 12 steps are is just to clear a channel to your higher power which is so you become god conscious so you have god consciousness that right and so whatever you call it and then you know in recovery program they say you know doesn't matter alab Buddha Brahma baby Jesus doesn't matter you you pick yes right but it's connecting to that and having that that cleared channel so you're helping people clear that channel so they are now connected with their self their true their big S their true self right and their mind their body and their spirits in alignment so now you're having that intuition that can guide you on what you're here to experience and that that feeling of not con not not attached to anything is like the most freeing feeling in the world like nonattachment like not detachment but non-attachment right everything's temporary it's all just a temporary playground of of and then it becomes joyful well yeah and then it becomes a okay everything is happening for me you know because you now have this trust okay it might look like things are falling apart but I know things are happening for me and you can step forward in this trust of knowing yeah it's I know this is happening for me and you're you're, looking for you're expecting you you you know that every thing will work out for your good right, when you when you were on the personal side when you were going through your divorce and you were separate did you did you have that awareness that it was, all happening for you or did were you like me cuz I I also have I have the same t-shirt, by the way.

I was married before and I went through it. Um,, mind you, I was really happy to get out of it, but it still felt like a failure., I wasn't feeling that trust. Were you you weren't there?, I was not there. That was 2008, 2009, and then 2010. I mean, I was I No,, I I was really the lowest of the low going through that and fighting it every step of the way. So that was your Okay., So yeah, this is a similarity in terms of of recovery. So the bottom I had to hit my bottom before I turned and started, shall we say reaching for the light which is like the last 18 years I've been working towards this go God consciousness for you. That was you said, 2008 200 you were fighting it. 2010 as you said when you really started studying started studying and going and I still had a lot more lessons after that., Yeah.

Um but I learned I learned my lessons., I'm still learning but the difference is now you know because I was so it's like my cup was so empty, at that stage you know going even going into 2010 my cup was it was empty you, know and so I had to fill my cup you know really really work on filling my cup and and that's you know it took a, while it took a while to to do that to learn that to really understand what, that meant and what self-love means. You know, I thought, "Oh, I work out. I take care of myself. I eat well. I, you know,, I do all these things." But yeah, that that's great. That was really good. But, um, this I really didn't love myself,, you know, even and even and that was for me the there was a lot of denial. I had to break that denial that I had. It was, like I couldn't see it. You know, other people could see it, but I couldn't see it or I didn't want to see it.

So,, that's also a big part of the the process is, you know, sometimes we have, these blocks or, you know, it's it's, you know, where we may be in denial of something, you know, that we have to, okay, why where is that where is that origin? Yeah., And what's the lesson in that? You know, coming through the other side of it., Um, bunch of different routes I could go down here. I'm going to go down this one. So, when you finally came out,, shall we say, in 2018 and you've said, I'm now going to step forward into this. Yes. Scary and exciting at the same time., Yes., Yes. Yes. But once you did step into that, that was probably the greatest act of self-love that you actually had., Absolutely., Because you were finally stepping into who you are and what you were here to do. That's right.

Yes., See, I'm feeling that like see for me I'm feeling that I get I have you know I've entrepreneur successful entrepreneur. I've done different, businesses. I've I've had I've got my own whole story of that. But this Viking Academy, is the one that I'm like I've stepped into it, but I'm still feel like I'm the baby towing in. You know what I mean?, Like I still haven't fully come out and gone this is what the Viking Academy is., This is like like I I feel like I still haven't got my have my coming out party, so to speak, right?, You know what I mean? Because I'm still not clear on what it is, if that makes sense.

Like I'm just not I, know this is I every time I have these meetings and I have these conversations and and I'm starting to like the the healer wheel all of a sudden came out of, this and now we're doing this mastermind and it's always spiritual healers and it's the spiritual side and and I'm I'm getting a vision for my for this purpose, that it's for the entrepreneur. It's the spiritual side of the entrepreneur. So the body, mind, and spirit. And this is the Viking, Academy is going to be on focused on the spirit for the entrepreneur. And I feel that there's a new operating system for, entrepreneurs to use. And that's about as far as I got, but it still feels like I haven't fully stepped into my shoes, so to speak., Right., So, how did you I guess this is what I'm asking. This is a little for me too and for the listener if they're following along here.

How do we know when we're, ready to or how did you know that it was time to step into those shoes and did you always kind of know all the way, along but you there was always like kind of blockers for me? It feels like I it's almost like I feel intuitively I already know what I need to do, right?, But I'm purposefully blocking myself off from consciously knowing what knowing it. Yeah, that that's a big part, of it. I I mean, speaking from my own experience, it was I would say there was the word that, comes fear. There were fears and and I had to overcome those and they were all within,, you know, and and some related to, you know, my past lifetime experiences, you know, that I had to uh reckon with., Um, and so it was I I feel for me it was really like if I, don't dive in now, I have to like I just knew I have to dive in.

And it's it it's, not back in 2018 compared to where I am now in now we're 2026., you know, it's completely different, you know, the way that I show up and even my branding and and how I've put myself, out. And I'm ready to do another evolution. I'm going to keep things the same on the branding side, but I'm already looking at I think it's time to, redo my website again, you know, and and package things in a different way. So, I, feel like it's always going to be something that's evolving, you know, in how you communicate and and, what your offering is, but it's, you know, accepting what the truth is, your truth, you know, and just this is, this is it. and um you know having there was like a, courageousness or a uh valor that we have to have to hold the the torch and, hold the flag for what we are offering you know and and what what you're standing for., Yeah. Yeah.

Fear is the big it is the big uh blocker., Yes. If you think about that, that's fear. Fear fear causes every negative behavior and experience we have. You, know, if we um I had I had a vision a quite a while ago. It was probably almost, 15 15 years ago is when it came in is that life is a sandbox. It's just you're just making temporary sand castles and then like you know when you see little, kids playing in a sandbox and they're playing they're building a sand castle and little kid another kid runs over and runs over their their sand castle and the kid loses their mind. They cry., They're upset and the parent just comes in. It's okay. And they pick him up and he'll be fine. It's all temporary. And like the parent knows that the sand, castles are always temporary and there's more sand out there to play with, right?, It's like this full sandbox of life.

You can just build as many sand casts as you want, but don't be attached to them because little Jimmy is going to run over it eventually or the water's going, to rain on it and it's going to drop back down to flat. Yeah., But if you could look at if I could look at life in that same lens and go, it's just all temporary sand castles. You can, just play with it and it's going to it's only temporary. So just have fun with it, but don't attach yourself to it because little Jimmy's going to run over, it or the rain's going to settle it back down. then then there would be no place for fear because I would have that, awareness that it's all just temporary anyways.

And so then stepping into shall we say the the coming out stepping into, your power in 2018 me stepping forward and saying this is what the Viking Academy is for there would be no fear there because it's like hey this is a play there's, another sand castle let's go play in this one., Yes. You know and I I I also wanted to share too. I feel that um when we can, surrender ourselves to God or to that high higher power that you mentioned when we surrender ourselves we put, ourselves you know in the right perspective there's a humility there's like a okay I'm you know through through, prayer you know asking okay what how can I serve today God like that is my prayer, every day who can I serve today and how can I serve today? You know, and um that, I when I when I do that, I feel it there's there's a humility that comes into me and then there's no fear, anymore.

It's like the fear that's just an illusion, right? Anyway, it's it's an illusion. We all know false evidence, appearing real. And so then it's just I'm acting. I just have to do you know because this is you know this this is, not just about me you know it's about the who you know and and helping humanity in the and, um that's the most important thing so and I totally get that that is like the, pref that is the premise of the 12 steps that's like you're surrendering your will and your life over to the care of a, higher hour and every day you need to bring in the mindset of how can I serve today? Who can I help today? Helping, another recovering person is the bedrock of recovery.

Like if you want to recover yourself, you need to help someone else., You if you focus on that, that is like the ultimate elixir, shall we say, to ensuring that you don't pick up a drink yourself is, helping someone else, right?, So it's always being of service. Um, yeah, it's all coming around full circle on me here., Okay. I I want to make I want to touch on one other thing though because this one kind of and and I'm going to I'm, going to step out there and I'm gonna I'm gonna say it and um seeing spirits and seeing other spirit spirit spirits, out there or seeing the shadow moving out of the corner of your eye. Um, so I've had and and I shouldn't say it's so, much me coming out and and saying something I haven't already said on a previous podcast. Nikki Hughes worked with me. She's an energy healer uh at, past life regression analysis and a spiritual regression.

So I actually went to see my spirit counsel um and we shared all of that on one of the, podcasts. But prior to that, I keep having these mid in the middle of the night, I'll wake up and look and I'll, see interdimensional beings in front of me., Scare the [ __ ] out of me. Like literally like terrorizes me. Just like and I freaked right out. When we did the, spiritual regression, they showed up and they said, "Hey, no, we were just here to help you along the way." So that's that's kind of like I'm I'm less freaked, out by seeing these interdimensional beings. And I say interdimensional because sometimes they they show up as 2D, sometimes they're 3D, sometimes they, look like they're four or five dimensions. Like it's I can't quite explain what that looks like to the listener, but, seeing those beings and then also seeing shadows out of the corner of my, eyes. I'm seeing that.

I see that quite a lot., Like, and I'll be like, there's some I saw something move over there. Like, I I swear I saw it move over there. Yeah., How do you How do I discern between a an interdimensional being that's here to help me, even though it scares the, crap out of me, and a shadow that I see out of the corner of my eye that could potentially be an earthbound spirit? like how can us, as the listener dis discern the difference between what's a good spirit and a bad spirit. I think that's what that I think that's where the crux of my question is coming in., Yeah, this is very important.

This is a great question because um you know I've, I've encountered I've worked with people who believe that they've have their spirit team you know like their guides I, have you know my guides are telling the angels are telling me this you know and they they might be sharing that with other people, um and the reality is no these these were actually you know the earthbound spirits who are they know, you know, and, you can see it when I when I've been at expos, you know, I can see, you know, when I have my booth and I'm working, but I can look over there and I see, there might be someone who's doing readings and it's like, wow, okay, they're they're not practicing that discernment and they're they're not, always getting the information from the angel. They're getting it from an earthbound spirit. So, I mean, it's very, simple.

Um I mean I'll share what I do and and this is become even more important because, well it's become very important in these times to have that discernment and the simple way is if I uh you know let's say, I'm switched on I'm working and um I have a spirit guide I'm familiar with, him but I still always greet him in the name of God. I greet you in the name of God. And um that is, very powerful because again, you know, I always disclose I'm working with the God consciousness., If if that spirit, you know, or angel that I might be perceiving, um, I'll, tell a story about someone too, another healer, um, is not of that consciousness, they they're they're not, they're not going to respond because they cannot say, "I greet you in the name of God, too." Because they're not coming in that consciousness.

They're coming in another consciousness., So for me when I'm doing the healing work that is what that is how I practice the discernment, is to have that greeting.

Um you know uh if I know for some people who are very, like you know you just you're very intuitive you're sensing something in that moment you can even ask do you come in the name, of God you know and they might say oh my name is so and so but if they don't respond, back to you that they're coming in the name of God they're still they're still trying to trick you., So I I have um there's another healer she started training um she's a client of mine and she shared with me a, situation she's very gifted she sees a lot um that is one of her gifts and she said you know I was working I was doing, some healing work and I saw this beautiful white illuminated figure very like so, much beautiful white light coming from this and and She did the greeting.

She said, "Oh, I, greet you in the name of God." And she said in that moment, she saw all of a sudden this white light, what looked, like translucent white light, it became opaque, like a thick white paste that, she would see. It was no longer this lumines. It didn't have this luminous quality anymore. And then she saw it crack, and it was a lower it was it was a a lower consciousness spirit disguising itself, you know because she thought she was you know about to get some messages and direction from this.

So it is really, important to practice the discernment right now especially because you know people are seeing this even if they, don't want to or don't even you know think they're spiritual they're seeing it the the it's like the veil is thinner, and also you know there's there has been um you know an attempt by some of those, lower consciousness spirits to deceive you know and create confusion., So it's very important to um to to have that and what I shared is a very simple, way anybody can do it. Um and you know of course that that that's how I'm working all the time. you know, I would, never ever want to um be guided or give give um a message to a, client or anything that's not at that god consciousness, you know, because it, it's just really important. I don't want to create confusion., And I've seen that happen with people where they they didn't they don't they don't know.

It's not like they're intentionally trying to deceive people., Excuse me. But they're getting the they're not getting the information from where they think they are. Um it's, coming from one of those um earthbound spirits and it's, you know, it's it's not right., That makes a lot more sense., That that actually is resonating quite well. I was I was likening it to as you were explaining these spirits. Um, it's, like the um, if we go back to the Norse and the Vikings, it's the spirit of Loki. He was the trickster god., See, Loki was the trickster god, but he enjoyed doing it. That was his whole thing. He would go in and he would confuse and he tricks them. You know,, anybody who's watched any of the Marvel movies, which, you know, the superheroes and Loki, he's just a trickster. Um, he's always trying to deceive. But how, do you discern?

And so what you're saying is the way you discern is you let, me say this the way I'm I'm articulating it properly here. um you I don't discern, I can't discern my human Eric can't discern right if I invite in the highest vibrational, quality of consciousness being at God consciousness being at the all father being at the the universal intelligence, the top layer the the ultimate highest intention the highest intentionality you bring, that into the space and that which is dark cannot exist in light because it doesn't exist anymore. So the light just, and that's shall we call it the the light in the darkness. Once you shine a light on it, the darkness disappears because it can't exist in light because, it doesn't have that frequency. So what you're doing is you're shining a light on on the object. And if the object is, light, it'll you'll see it because it'll be light and light.

If you shine it as darkness, it'll disappear. It'll disappear. Yeah., Right. And so so and then you and then here it's the other thing too for me I've I've found Yeah. Okay. So, it's the highest vibrational the highest level of intent and and quality. I'm using that one., Yeah., Don't believe crap like that. Just simp talk about a simplifier. Yes., We talk about simplifiers and multipliers and strategies., It's like you need to simplify to multiply. That's like the ultimate simplifier of if you're not sure if it's, a if it's a good or bad spirit or a negative or po or shall we call it I I'm trying to get away from good and bad but, let's put it if it's a lower vibrational consciousness., Okay.

So, I'm going to call it lower vibrational consciousness because um if I want to resonate, if I want to figure, out where it is, I just bring in a higher level of consciousness and it'll show me if it's lower or if it's at the same level., That's correct. Yeah. And you can't go on how you feel about it, you know, like you know, like in your example, you felt, kind of freaked out or fearful of what you saw, but then you learned, oh no, these ones are are for me., Yeah. And and and likewise, oh, I feel really like in the example I gave, you know, I feel really good about this., It's so beautiful. Be a good feeling, but then, oh, wait a minute. You know, it's the trickster quality, right? So,, um, it's important to, you know, do you come in the name of God or I greet you in the name of God?

And if they don't, respond back in that kind or you don't get that message back where you they've responded that then they're going to leave., So they can't they can't stay around because it's not at that frequency. So yeah thinking about it in terms of, vibrational frequency is is absolutely correct., You know it's absolutely correct. It's not about good or bad. I mean, in some cases it is, but it's better to think, about it in those in those vibrational frequencies., Yeah. I'm finding that if I think of it in terms of a vibrational frequency, it doesn't put me into a negative mentality, where I feel like I'm fighting evil because the minute I am fighting quote, I have just brought my energy level from a higher level to a lower level., Instantly, now I'm fighting someone instead of vibrating in that fearless state. Yes., Right. So that's why I'm thinking of that vibrational frequency.

You know, the Richard Dawkins book, I think it's, power versus force where he's measuring the different vibrational frequencies of things, right?, Um okay, that yeah, that's that's a truth bomb there. I'd love that, one. Okay. So, um let's try and wrap this up soon because we we're going to need to wrap we're going to need to wrap it up, because our time together is going to be getting close here. So, but um my question to you is this. When you're, working with people, do you do is it all like fa chest hearttoheart work or do, you do remote work or when you're doing space? like I'm curious on just a little more of the what you like the actual work that you do and I want to, illuminate that for the the listeners out there.

Um and then I also want to make sure and it'll be in all the show notes and the rest of it but I want to make sure that they know where they can, contact you so they could they can work with you. But let's talk about how you do how you go about your work., Yeah, I I work um both in person. So um I you know I have two offices you know, one in Brea California uh and then also my home healing office as well in Corona, California.

But the majority of my clients I actually work with remotely., So what that looks like is either through a video session you know so we, are face to face um in that session but it's working you know working more in, the 4D and and 5D you know so people who are really sensitive they can feel what's happening they can sense what's, happening it's different than the physical experience but it still works really beautifully and then also remote, I do remote like proxy healings for example. So um what that looks like is I, you know will take a picture um and the and the details of the person their name their birth date um and then what the, petition is.

So this is I'm usually doing this type of healing for let's say it's a family member or a friend or, sometimes even in the case it's it's the client who wants that they don't want to do a video session they're they they're like uh you know please just do a remote, session for me um so I work that way as well and then with the home clearings and and for businesses um those are both, in person and uh remote and the the remote is really beautiful too it works um you know beautifully., Again I just you know need the information. Some people will send me a lot you know they'll send me videos some people just send me you know at least, the picture of their entryway and um you know I can just from that just going in there on a remote basis I can, tell a lot about what's going on with the property. Okay. Wow., Yeah. We're going to talk about that because I want to do something with my house.

This place, this place needs work. It's been I've shared it on the, podcast and over. There's been a lot of This is This has been one hell of a ride this house built and dealing with the, There's a You and I are working together. Okay, I'm just putting that out the listener. Pay attention here. I am actually going to make sure I work with Marilyn, too. Um, where can they find you?, Yeah. Well, you can, um, you know, I'm on Instagram, um, Rosen Mystica Healing., Um, you can find me on WhatsApp. Um, you can just contact me directly by phone., Um, my website is rosammystikaspiritiritual.com. So you can learn a little bit more there. Um, so or even email me um at Marylandstaspiritual.com., Awesome., So there you go. You've got it. The list's got it. This was a lot of fun.

I was like I love I love doing these podcasts, because I all of a sudden I never and and I love not knowing what I'm getting into because it all of a sudden it's like opening up a present and then it goes down a different rabbit hole and, I'm like oh my gosh that um thank you so much., You're welcome Eric. This is a lovely conversation. It's just been so great., Again I didn't know I was like this is exciting. I'm we're going to have a great conversation today., Yeah. Okay. We're gonna have you back on the podcast again because there's more for us to talk about. I can tell. Okay, great. Okay, thank you., Thank you so much. This is definitely your unique ability, Eric. So Oh, thanks., Thanks for listening to the Viking Academy podcast. Make sure to leave us your honest feedback by leaving a review on Apple or Spotify and hit subscribe so you never miss an episode.