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What’s really stopping you from reaching your potential?

Today, we’re exploring greatness and personal development. We dive deep into the subconscious with Gina Mollicone-Long — a master coach, speaker, and author who helps people get out of their own way.

Gina’s journey took her from engineering and advertising to the world of deep transformation, where she now helps people clear internal blocks, rewire outdated programming, and reconnect with their inner greatness. In this conversation, we explore what it really takes to change — not just your life, but yourself — from the inside out.

Topics We Explore:

• Why you’re not broken — just blocked
• Outdated emotional patterns and how to reprogram them
• Real gratitude in the face of failure
• The difference between feedback and self-judgment
• How energy states like love and fear shape our lives
• True transformation and the power of being coachable

Connect with Gina Mollicone-Long: https://ginamollicone.com/

Learn More about The Viking Academy: https://www.vikingacademy.com

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Episode Transcript:

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Viking Academy podcast. Today on the podcast, we have Gina Mollicone Long. Yes, I added a little extra Italian there because I like to pronounce the last name correctly.

As you can imagine, Soulbackend gets crushed every time by anybody who says it. Here's the thing with Gina. She is an academically trained engineer. She brings philosophy, the interconnectivity of philosophy and science and spirit to help people get what they want.

We have this conversation that goes deep into not only the fabric of spirit but mind and body. It all encompasses together. Gina's, shall we call it ethos is that everyone has greatness within them.

And her job is to reveal that greatness. Once you realize that what's holding you back is actually you and you realize that there's some blockages inside you that's stopping your wishes and dreams coming true.

Then all of a sudden you can start having what you want and realizing that really this is all big a big game for us. Life is just one big game. And if you can embrace that feeling of joy and spirit of gratitude you're going to unlock that.

We go into a lot of other details in this podcast. I hope you really enjoyed it. I could have talked to her for probably three hours plus. We're gonna have another podcast in us for sure.

But without further rambling on by me, let's go explore. Gina, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. I'm really excited to be here. Um, we were just off air here. We were talking about how to pronounce her last name and because everybody always [ __ ] up my my name like Soulbach.

My mother-in-law still doesn't get my last 2:002 minutesname right. Oh, come on. Just Sb and I'm like where's the bulk in Soulback? Where's the L? Like but it's like a pronunciation. It's like Sulbakin is the Norwegian way to actually pronounce it, but it's been anglicized to Sbachen.

And so with your last name is Molicone is the Canadianized version. Micone long, but it's Molon long, right? Yeah. I was just in Italy and they were calling me to pick up my car and I was like, "Oh, and you just and I was like, that's me." Yeah.

You're you're the the the the angels are singing. It's like someone's calling my name by the right pronunciation without me even having to say anything. Yeah. I love it. I love it.

Well, and the hyphen, too. when I fly on Air Canada and the, you know, they come around to say hello to the Super Elites or whatever and they stand there in front of me for a minute, I can just tell like they're like, "Oh my god." Because hyphens don't exist in airlines.

And so it's all one smashed together name. And they just stand there and I feel for them. And I, you know, if I'm feeling like a good mood, I just say, "Call me Gina." If not, then I sit and wait for them to give it a try.

Oh, yeah. I I haven't I'm gonna be working up to that. My my flying schedule is starting to really ramp up now. So, I'm gonna have that elite status here probably next year. It is worth it just for the lack of having to worry about things.

Yeah, I have been getting more and more fired up about this podcast with you. you and I met at a dinner in Toronto at like and then right at the end of the evening uh Stell and Christa they introduced us and we're like oh my god we got to talk and then it was like okay be on the podcast poof and that was and I think we talked for about five minutes outside and it was about minus 2 million and uh because I remember it being cold but I wasn't even supposed to be there that night so that was the weirdest part of all of it.

Well this is the thing is I'm so excited about this. you you I I I was looking 4:004 minutesover your your website and what you do for people to help them unlock the the comment that just struck me is that we when you and I say I'm going to I'm going to wreck this already.

Okay. When you realize your breakthroughs happen when you recognize that you are more energy than matter. Sounds a bit woy, right? But it's true. Well, from a quantum level, it is true. Well, it's true from a matter level, too.

But I mean, you can It depends on which which end of the pole you want to focus on. Yeah. So, so talk to me a little bit more about like how did you even get into because I thought when I first met that you were like, should we call it the quote unquote motivational speaker?

And then I started looking at the depth of this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You I'm sure you do because I know I get it all the time, too. I'm like, no, don't call me that.

Thank you very much. I mean if that's what helps people understand like because they the average person can't contextualize my jobs because I can barely contextualize my job.

So, um, you know, honestly, like it it's it it started I don't even know I mean if we really wanted this lifetime probably when I was a kid, but uh uh practically honestly I I did an engineering degree because I was always good at math and you know when you're young you just kind of go where people tell you to go but I was really really good at teaching people you know I was a a gymnastics coach and actually when I was 16 I held five um Canada used to have this program called the NCCP coaching program which was like a sports coaching because that's all you I mean coaches were sports there was nothing else.

Uh so when I was 16 I had five of them because I was really sporty I thought I thought I was really sporty but I think I was really coachy and uh but that you know you don't think of yourself like that cuz wasn't in the 80s that wasn't a thing so I just coached around and but then people kept telling me that you know you you can't do that forever.

So then I went to engineering school and then you know they said well you can't teach swimming when you're in engineering you have to have a real job. So kind of ended up just kind of rolling with it and I ended up at Proctor and Gamble in advertising which didn't make any sense at the time especially engineering and advertising.

I'm sorry I don't see the connection. PNG I mean I understood it once you once you work at PNG you understand that they're they're they're hiring a a personality and they can teach you skills.

So I learned I learned how to advertise. Um and it's a benefit when you come in without a paradigm, right? I didn't know anything because I did an engineering degree. Anyways, I and then I went to another company thinking that the reason why my soul felt like it wasn't being fulfilled was the company.

And then I went to the other company and realized it wasn't the companies, it was the fact that I wasn't being myself. So I just started coaching. Well, it wasn't called coaching. I started consulting to CEOs when I was 27.

Um, but it wasn't I w I really I I cannot tell you how many days go by that I wish I had started the business coaching genre at that point in my life. Um, I did not.

So, I just started doing stuff for CEOs. Really, what I was taking was my practical knowledge and my acquired personal knowledge and I was applying it to people's businesses. And of course the results were amazing and I was learning a ton about myself and then it just kind of like into a business and over the last almost three decades.

I started when I was four. Um but seriously I've collected more study of systems. So I study obviously the what we'll call the science system. That would be the engineer in me. And then I have a master's degree in the philosophy of science and religion.

And that would be the intersection of those two things you open to this question with. And I'm trained in a gazillion things in between them. And what is a benefit for me is I'm not attached.

I don't think one has to be true. So therefore, I'm free to study them all. I'm not trying to prove one wrong or one right. I don't care. But what I do when I study a system is I I can't help but notice the similarities.

Whether it's metaphorical or outright blatant, all the systems kind of say the same thing. And it just depends which system you're in, which language you're speaking, but they kind of say the same thing.

So I kind of cobbled together the summary and that's what that's what I do. Thank you for saying that because I and it's interesting as I'm listening to your story. So you started as an engineer, we're kind of going into the woowoo space.

You're helping entrepreneurs. My path is very similar to that. I I think that's why we hit it off. I I I think so. Like there's like there was a resonance there like you were me or I was you in a past life and you were me in a past life.

There's there's some tie in here. You're my future self or past self and which Tammy Grantham talked to me about. I was still trying to get that one. If you really want to get into it, there is no separation.

So, we're just talking. We're talking to ourselves. I know which becomes quite interesting. So, especially when you hear stuff out of your own mouth and go, "Wow, I said that. That's amazing." Um, so was, you know, I chartered accountant but did high level of philosophy or psychology.

I did a psychology degree in university and now I've come out of this going I really want to explore the world like the mind, body and spirit. Yeah. The Viking blanket which is who I've always been is this Viking and and so embracing who I am.

But the thing that I found especially in my readings of all the different uh religious literature some would call it the bag of vadget gita the Quran the the culbrin bible you know uh the nisagardata maharaj I see the similarities and I love the thing that you said there is not being attached to trying to make one right or one wrong it's just seeing the connections and for me when I see a connection I go oo I get a little dopamine hit like oh I I it's almost like you're starting to see the the the plan behind the the story so to speak.

Yeah, that that's essentially it. And and the connections affirm that they are connected and then what I do is go back and see what is under represented in our modern vernacular. Right? So we'll call it an unearthed secret, but it's not really a secret because it's been published in plain view for thousands of years.

But what I look for is like what does it say in there that we're not really doing here or what are we doing badly here?

And that's how we came up with the because the breakthrough process I do is actually quite it's it's it's it's simultaneously phenomenal but it's also like not what people expect because it reframing which is essentially what it is.

I mean it's a giant reframe doesn't mean reliving. So it doesn't mean reactivating, retraumatizing, re whatever. It just means, you know, rewriting.

And so it's people expected it's going to be this inc, you know, oh, is it going to be am I going to cry a lot or well not unless you want to like it it because we're rewriting it and so we don't have to go through it all again in the painful way.

We can just come come at it from a new perspective. So it's simultaneously extremely profound and yet a little bit, you know, not woo we I don't know how it's almost obvious like when you when you go is it where you go through it and you go oh that's how you do it.

Well, because people think energy is this weird thing, but it's just like the truth is that the the you're not getting like, okay, I was thinking about this today actually. Um, so my daughter is a neuroscientist, extremely really smart neural network kind of stuff, trying, you know, they're working on uh trying to get information when there's like injuries in the nervous system.

So when there's an injury, say like a spinal cord injury to 12:0012 minutesthe nervous system and you you think legs walk, right? like you want to walk but you can't because the information cannot physically flow through that broken can't flow across that broken part.

Okay, can't get there. So the legs don't move. That's the inherent problem. So that's obvious to us. We accept that. We don't even question it and the you know we we're working on it and good for us and we'll get there.

But what I'm talking about when you have a a reality in your life that you don't want or a result that elilludes you, it's the same process, but it's not as obvious to you.

But what's happening is the thinking is there. Obviously, it has to be there. And then when that information travels through the nervous system, it's getting way laid. It's getting, you know, it's getting it's not getting to its destination and then you can't do the actions that bring the result.

So the information is not getting to its destination. And so what I what I ponder is that um things that are a little bit less tangible are preventing that flow of information. And that could be negative emotions stuck in the nervous system, limiting beliefs that that take more that that that take over the program.

So you know, you said this but it went this way, whatever you want to call it. And and while these things are metaphorical, they're also kind of real. And so when we do the the systems that I've studied, and I haven't studied all of them, but the ones that I've studied, we we change the path of information, right?

So we remove the blockages in the nervous system. And it's that's not a metaphor. Now, it's not like pulling out a weed where you've got something in your hand. It's not material, but it's also not nothing.

So it's somewhere between material and nothing that we pull out of the nervous system. And then the information can flow and then you can do the behaviors that you couldn't do yesterday. And when you can do those behaviors because you have different choices for behavior, then you get results that you never got before.

I love the the framing of the mind or even say someone who's been injured in in an accident and all of a sudden they can't their their their spinal cord doesn't transfer the information from the brain down to the legs to tell the legs to walk.

And so from what you're saying is that if your life isn't unfolding the way you want it to, it's because your your desires are not able to tell the legs to go move that way or tell the universe to move that way to manifest what you actually want.

It's just there's something preventing the flow of information as you want it to go, right? There's something preventing it. And and I'm speaking now like you know we we can't crack open a human and pull out all the floppy discs and go here are all the programs that don't work.

But we are kind of like machines. And the reason we're like machines is because machines computers in particular were modeled after humans. So Carl Prib George Miller and Galantner in the 50s they were the original computer scientists.

They were using human brains to try to make computers do what humans could do.

So they we're the model of the computer and so we're not computers but in my world because of the engineering acumen um I find it very useful to suspend the process as if we were a machine like a programmed machine and then it's just a matter of taking out the programs that no longer work.

They're not bad right? They're not they're not evil or wrong or pathetic. Like everybody was always beating themselves up, but you know, if you had and and you you maybe you're old enough to remember this.

You probably are. Um you know, in the 90s, late 1900s. Okay. Okay. 1990, I was 20. Okay, great. So, you'll remember this. I mean, I'm I'm Yeah. Yeah. I I might remember it because I was I was kneede in Jack Daniels and cocaine at the time, but Well, you'll remember it.

You'll remember it because Microsoft used to launch office like word processing Excel, you know, like word like office pro the way we we do iPhones now, right? Like big launches and stages and dancing and balloons and people lining up at the mall for the release and it was crazy if you think about it.

It was a freaking word processor. Um, but that's what they used to do.

And and I remember back then because I was working at PNG that if somebody was an early adopter and they went in that line and they got that program and then they sent me a document in 1995 or six or whatever, I couldn't open it because the the models weren't compatible.

Remember, right? Okay. Now, it's very obviously I don't have the right program. Okay. It's not the guy's a jerk or throw my computer out the window or go to therapy and dig up all my past.

It's simply I don't have the right program to open the document. So I need to go to the program store and get the program and I need to get the program. I need to upgrade the program of the one that's broken which is the problem I'm having.

I'm having a problem with the one that's broken. So I got to upgrade that one. So if you take that analogy to now, right? Um if you were I don't even think we could do this podcast quite frankly on Windows 95.

Like I don't I don't think right. Yeah. But at the time Windows 95 was it it was the state-of-the-art right? Windows was the state-of-the-art. So at one time it was an absolutely brilliant program that did everything of the time but in 20 like now it makes no sense.

It wouldn't work at all. So humans are like that. So we have these programs that we created in childhood or teenagerhood or young adulthood or past lives whatever. or I don't know, I don't care, right?

Doesn't matter. They were created in the past and they're no longer appropriate in the current time and environment. So, they're not bad or wrong or dumb or stupid or shameful or whatever. They just they don't make sense anymore.

So, they have to be deleted and reprogrammed or upgraded. That's all we're doing. But humans are a bit weird, you know? We're we're a bit hoardy about the way it used to be. We like to, you know, we don't like things to change too much.

That's our brain's job. I mean, its job is to like, you know, keep you going dayto day. So, if you wake up today, the brain's like, "Okay, I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing unless told otherwise because, you know, we're still here." Right?

And there's the struggle because the heart's like, "No, I want to grow. I want to grow." Right? And the brain's like, "No, no. I've felt that my entire life.

I felt like I've been like un inside this like trying to fight out and punch out and even even when I was I think even when I thought I was quote unquote winning the game of life being a chartered accountant and becoming a partner I there was still a bit of an emptiness in there.

There was still something I was longing for searching for and I and I constantly kind of feel that that frustration of wanting to to break through. And that's what I love about your like here's this breakthrough.

It's not that I'm wrong. It's that my so I need an software upgrade. I talked about this on the last podcast I had. It's like I truly believe humanity needs a software upgrade. We just need a consciousness upgrade.

We need that Well, each one of us does and then collectively it'll all go with it. Yeah. And in fact, it doesn't even need to be all of us. No. Right. Did you know that power versus force?

Well, yeah. And Marishi at one point um calculated that it was about 1% of a population would lift the entire population. And then as they they as their data for TM transcendental meditation got more and more refined and better studies he actually reduced that to the square root of 1% which is not a lot of people relatively speaking.

So you know that's the phrase as one is lifted all are lifted. So not a lot of us but I have a question for you. Can I do that giddy up? So there you are accounting and partnering and successing, right?

And you you say what a lot of my clients, my my my private clients say, like I have I have a coaching practice, but you know, we also have a a school where we teach people.

But um when I'm talking with them, the first question I ask them is like, here you have this success outwardly. You're everybody's endgame. People are looking at you like going, I want to be Eric, right?

Whether or not they can pronounce your last name, irrelevant. They want to be you. Okay? But if you were being honest with me and I would say if 10 is your maximum potential like why you're here and give your gift where you operating at that point in your life would you say?

Oh, and my potent. Oh, for me it would be three, right? No one I've worked with has ever said more than five, maybe six one time. And I work with people who are exceptional peak performers.

Like you would, you know, Olympic athletes, uh, bestselling New York Times best line, like I like they're not not successful. The mo most people have their job as a goal. And when I ask them though, if we're being honest, they'd be like, "Poor, you know, I'm I'm not even I'm not even trying.

I'm doing this while I'm doing something else, you know?" Yes. Exactly. It's like It's like, you know, it's like there's a a knowing inside of me that there's so much more, right, that it's like it's like knowing that there's a a vault of gold in there that I haven't we haven't even scratched the surface.

Well, and this is exactly like I spent months and dollars, lots of them with a with a marketing agency to come up with our to really come up with a succinct why. Remember, I worked in advertising.

So, I really respect the field. And we ended up on reveal greatness. And it took a long time to get there. Everybody thinks, "Oh, it's only two words. Oh god, we started at a million and we ended up with two." But the point was to reveal something implies it's always there.

It's always going to be there. I'm not doing anything except maybe, you know, I'm a glorified polishing cloth. Right. Right. You're helping you're helping you're helping the person reveal what's always been there. They just can't see it.

It's already it's always inside of you. Yeah. Or they're just not in touch with it. Like they they might not even have a concept that it's inside. Well, that's what Jesus said. It was that it was an inside job.

Like turn in the They all said it. They all said it.

They all this is my that was the thing that I was saying like every everything I read was always it's inside go inward it's in you it's it's you like it's there's nothing without that you need it's all within right and and what and what without is good for is informing you where you are missing getting the information from the inside because if we could just go introspective and we could all do it ourselves but if we could we would and we're not right so so the material world or the world that we live in, it provides us with that information.

And our senses is where we take I'm back to information, right? Because this is our our our senses are where we take the information in from the outside, but we're processing it backwards. We're using the outside as proof of why we can't instead of as feedback of why we didn't.

Right? So, so it's a feedback loop. And this is my first book. So I was a feedback control engineer and and I never thought like 15 years after I graduated from uft. Um I was like, "Oh my god, humans do this.

Humans are feedback loops, but we're we're taking the information. We're doing the wrong thing with it." So you you measure your bank account or your sales or your relationship status or whatever your goal is and you don't have it and you go, "See, I can't do it." And so you use it as proof.

But what happens with that thought is then you then start another cycle from I can't do it versus taking the performance point as feedback and saying oh I was trying to do a million dollar deal and I did a $20 deal.

Well that's not a million dollar so something in my process isn't working because this is the end. It's not that I can't but I didn't do something. So I need to go back and change something material, right?

And then run the process again and see if that gets me there. And it's feedback. And very few people in the moment of failure. Okay? So they measure their failure point. Very few people in that moment celebrate.

Now that sounds a bit far-fetched. Um but you know, everybody talks about gratitude. Gratitude journal. Gratitude this. Look, I'm going to be straight with you and all your listeners. If you can't generate gratitude looking at a freaking sunset or a puppy, there is something seriously wrong with you.

Thank you. Thank you. But that's the p that's the going to the gym part. You got to do it every time you see a puppy in a sunset so that you know what the emotion is.

But the real time for the gratitude, the hard gratitude as I call it, is when you're face down in the mud 25:0025 minutesand you go, "Oh, thank you for this feedback.

I'm going right back to it." Real gratitude, not [ __ ] gratitude. while you're face down in the mud. you are fully present to it shouldn't be any other way because this was the way the machine was designed to run then you have all the information you need because you're like oh I'm missing a bolt in section four I got to go back and put you right and so but nobody does that and that's why people end up in these crazy loops and that you just when you said that all of a sudden I had another connected moment there as I remember the Buddha said that life is suffering it's it's attachment is suffering and it's attachment to what you explained there in saying that when you see the feedback loop I go it's not that I can't it's just I didn't because this thing didn't happen so I'm not attaching myself to the result I'm know the self is capable of anything it's just it didn't hap it it's not that I can't it just it didn't happen because omething something was wrong in the engineering I see I'm now I can see inside your head now I understand wrong I don't like the word wrong cuz people put judgment on wrong, but we just ineffective.

It didn't work. It wasn't the right flow, right? Like something was blocking it that you didn't have the right bolts in the right spot. So, it didn't function the way you wanted it to because the engineering was done wrong.

So, the steps were not in a way that would produce the outcome you wanted. It produced a different outcome. Well, if you wanted the other outcome, you need to change the steps, right? And so, there's no attachment to that.

And there's the material world. And and that's the the the strength and benefit of the material world is we have these processes and we can appreciate uh data.

Everybody wants data but nobody knows what good data is for God's sakes right so so you once you know that that's it then everything else that takes place is energetic and and by energetic I mean like I have a slide that I show to my audiences when I speak around the world and it shows the power spectral density which is a fancy word for an electronic signal okay of someone who's in a state of gratitude and someone who's in a state of anger and the power dext the the the power spectral density of gratitude is organized most of the signal resonate u vibrates around 0.1 hertz so when you look at it it's got this big spike at 0.1 and then it's like you know noisy in the other frequencies the other bands right but if you look at anger it's just it's it it's got it doesn't have a spike anywhere it's just kind of spread out it's very noisy and and when you talk about the relative power.

Um, we're talking about power in in the sense of reach, right? Like you can it's like a a signal, you know, think radio music or whatever. If your signal is or think your cell phone, you know, when you got one bar, so gratitude is like five bars and anger is like one 28:0028 minutesbar, right?

And so you're going to get more from the signal. You're going to you're going to be able to interact more information between you and the field from the state of gratitude.

Right now, it's it sounds a little complicated and when I put the slide up, it's like the you know the units make people burst into flames and I go look the shortcut is go watch Monsters Inc.

Yeah, that's the shortcut. Any questions? So anger works like anxiety. They work. They have energy. They have movement. They have force. But love, gratits better. It just like they both work. Infinitely more powerful than the fear.

The fear that they're cap the energy they capture with believing you're not good enough works. It keeps you safe from ridicule and scorn and risk and you know it it it's not a like people like oh I'm not good enough.

Yeah. But, you know, when you made that up, when you decided to believe that, it it served you. It saved your ass in the playground probably or whatever, right? Like, it was a smart move at the time.

The problem is it's so outdated now. It's like ridiculous, right? Like wearing a pair of Sergio Valentes or something like it tight. So, if you let it go and replace it with something new, then you are free to create from the new place.

But you know again that whole be careful what you wish for like when you create it you're going to open yourself up again to judgment and and people not everybody loves what you do right so and they don't need to you need to love what you do so so it I try to like normalize it for people you're not broken you're you're just outdated right there's that upgrade that I I you've reframed you've reframed my thinking around the updated software to a more joyous concept of that con that of of upgrading like it's it's it's what you just explained there in terms of the feedback loop and seeing what it is is more joyous for me now like I just literally that just that little switch the connection just dropped right there because I've and you know just the whole point like the Viking Academy for me so I was you accountant, business coach, Viking Academy, Viking Academy, you know, and I play in a heavy metal band and I'm playing, you know, drum and lead singing in a heavy metal band.

That's my joy place. It's about exploring the world, like explore, exploration, discovery, and that's the adventure. That's the life. That's the fun. The fun is, as you said, when you're face down in the mud going, "Cool.

Okay, thank you." Yeah. you know, and then and then but then getting up and wiping the mud off your face and going, "Let's get back at it." Like the the Vikings concept of of going 31:0031 minutesto Valhalla in heaven was battling during the day, getting killed, and then resurrecting and then having a big party with Odin in the Valhalla and then redoing it all over again.

Like that is like the epitome of of like what people's hell is like my idea of heaven. But I when it comes to my actual life and some of the things I've been thinking about is I have that I have that patterning that it's I'm wrong, not I got the process.

The process didn't line up the way I wanted it to. And that's true. And probably for a period in your life believing that you were wrong, it probably shielded you from something intense. And so it it kept you from, you know, putting yourself out there and getting hurt or whatever.

It doesn't matter. Like, so, so I'm not downplaying what's happened in pe people's lives. But the thing is, the only moment you have is now. The past is done.

And it probably didn't even happen to the body you're in because, you know, the the the research suggests that our cells replace, you know, the body kind of completely replaces itself every seven to 10 years depending on who you talk to.

So, if it happened more than 10 years ago, it didn't happen in the meat suit you're in. And so, how are you maintaining that? like and and and and there's nothing wrong with maintaining it.

Truly, I'm not I'm not the greatness police or the any police really. It's just people come to me and they say this isn't working for me. Like I only ever ask how's that working for you?

I don't want to mind readad you. You seem to be struggling, but that's my mind read. So you tell me it's working fine because I've had teenagers, right? It's fine. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you there.

I've got 24 and a 22y old and now Isla's 12. So we're going we're going to get to go starting into that role right now. It's like oh you know what fine stands for.

Don't you get know what [ __ ] up, irrational, neurotic and emotional. Okay. Yeah. Doesn't really fly. Um so one of the things that you you did so you do neurallinginguistic programming, right? Yes.

NLP. NLP. Um, I went through and did a blast with my energy healer, which was bilateral adjustment stimulation therapy, which was hypnotherapy with eye movement back and forth based on my traumas from the past, right?

To try and EMDR or is it something different? It's something slightly different. Um, again, Nikki will be on the podcast later this month and I'll be able to extract a little bit more from her on that.

But it was that for me going through those kind of those traumatic experiences, the trauma, so everybody's had traumas. One of the things is my mom telling me that I was wrong and here's all the things.

But getting through and breaking that, realizing that it's there, but then having that that that NLP blast process, all of a sudden, I don't have that emotional energy attached to it anymore. I can see it for what it is, and it's more, oh, that's just the old programming.

Now I'm looking at focusing on new programming. The work that you do, do you go back and and help people with that unlocking? Yeah.

So in in our in our because we teach we have a school called greatness and I teach what I use primarily I study everything but but but you can't teach everything so we teach six things we teach neural linguistic programming we teach hypnosis we teach timeline therapy which is uh an amazing technique that allows you to use time temporal perspective to reframe the past and then it allows you to completely um because of the reframe frame and the way that it's done in the similar not not the same as what you're talking about but the positioning of the visualizations and things like that are are distinct that allows for the actual resolution of those negative emotions so that they are no longer resident in the nervous system.

We teach those three things. 35:0035 minutesWe've started teaching our our students heart math um because people need more resilience and the heart math uh methodology offers people a way to just make their bodies more resilient to change.

So we teach that then we teach two coaching frameworks. Now we don't not everybody who comes to us is a coach but the way we look at it is our trainings are like personal development but we teach at certification standards in case you're a coach.

So if you're not a coach, you learn the gold standard. You don't need it, but you learn the gold standard, which at least you can talk intelligently to others.

Maybe if you're a business leader, you can feel confident that if you do a little bit of this or a little bit of that, you're at least, you know, not screwing someone up. for the coaches that are there um we teach at such a high standard that they get board certificates and and whatnot in these um genres that they can then go out and feel confident in the world of their practice.

So it's a little different what we do and and you know is it a bit is it is an overdesign for personal development? Yes. You know it's not a three-day weekend and rah rah rah.

It's a little bit more work for the person who's who's just in it for the personal development, but it's very thorough. It's kind of, you know, it's kind of like working with the coach while you're doing the training.

So, it it it benefits everyone, but it is a little bit more intense now for everybody.

So, the timeline therapy you were talking about sounds very similar to the blast that I worked with with Nikki because it I I released like I physically feel the release there. like I can talk about all these things now and I don't have that emotional reaction like um I had it released under hypnotherapy and it was quite something like I started to really I started to really see how which I love your your your simplicity question to people it's like how is it working is it working for you and I was seeing now how that how that thinking is not working for me right right and so and that's all that's required so any technique And then this is what I always tell people.

I mean, those are the six we teach. Somebody else teaches something else. There's a million people teaching a million things and they all work because there's a little thing on the chalkboard behind me um which looks like a little check mark.

And it's the process of change. And and the thing is for anything to change it all that is required is a burning desire and burning desire not a lukewarm mediocrity a burning desire for something else and a a willingness to do what it takes.

And in the case of working with a coach that's to be coachable. If you're not coachable the coach isn't a miracle worker, right? You you have to give up the way you've been doing it.

You have to submit to the process because if you don't nothing will work and and that's okay. You don't like I always say to people I'm not the change police keep it exactly as it is but you keep telling me you want something different and they go well every time we do something it's uncomfortable.

I go great. So if you see the word behind me it says uncomfortable. So the only time you're comfortable is in the comfort zone and that's where no change is possible. So the minute you step outside the comfort zone, literally everything should be uncomfortable.

That's what it's supposed to feel like. So if I tell you it's supposed to be uncomfortable, are you are you okay with it? They're like, "Yeah, great. Let's go." Because I'm growing now. It's uncomfortable.

I know it's growing. Yay. Yeah. Like it's it's, you know, um but the way you've reframed it though, Gina, it's so much more palatable.

I really like the way that you bring these concepts across because it's just it makes it's an attraction rather than promotion quality that you have in the way that you talk about these things cuz I I know from firsthand experience when I've worked with someone and I'm the coach and I'm coaching them because I do the business coaching but obviously I get into mindset and I've got the psychology and the spirituality my my own teaching model but if if they don't want to change it's like I look at them like I'm not I'm not doing the work here.

You have to do the work. Like I'm here to lead, guide, and protect you through this process. That's my job. But it's all coming from within you. I'm going to present you. You're you're just beating your head against the wall, right?

But the people that want it. And I love this burning desire. You want it there. Being a coach is so easy for those people. But that's why like see you you nailed it.

I don't promote because it it it it has to be attractive because I'm not they have to come with a 10 out of 10 desire and a complete coachability or or there's nothing that will work.

So in fact I actually turn away now this is for my own private practice just because of my travel whatever but I actually turn away more people than I work with because I am like I unless a person is had a burning desire and shows a real willingness and coachability.

I I don't want to take them because I have such a great track record. I have no interest in blemishing that and I don't need to be right. If they want to keep their life the way it is I'm not going to argue with them. give them complete I give you all you're allowed to be completely miserable.

I'm going to allow you you're allowed to be whatever you want. I honestly the number one presupposition there's there's um a number of presuppositions when we teach NLP that we say you don't don't have to believe these things but they make what I'm about to teach you a lot more palatable.

And the first one is respect the other person's model of the world. It doesn't mean agree, plate, condone. It just means hey man respect that everybody's got a different model of the world. And there's a there's a diagram above me and it says millions, billions, and trillions.

So in the field in 1954, Priam and Miller measured that there were two million bits of information in the field. They measured it in in their lab. Now I don't know how they did it.

Read the book if you want to know how. But they measured it and then they were trying to figure out how do we make a computer? What does the brain take in from the 2 million in the field?

And they calculated that the brain took in 126 bits a second. The calculation is 7 plus or -2 over 1/18th of a second. Blah blah blah. It's 126 bits. Okay? So just do the math.

Millions to hundreds. Okay? So our brain throws out most of what's available. And and I argue that it's maybe billions or even trillions now because obviously in 1954 to now that there's way more information, but our brains are still doing hundreds.

You know, somebody once said to me at a talk recently, heard it was 800. Great. Hundreds. It's still it's still 0000 there, there there to hundreds, right? So that's a massive data loss. And so when I select 126 and you select 126, they clearly overlap a little bit, which is why we're vibing and we did this podcast.

Yeah. But if we didn't overlap at all, I wouldn't know you at all. I wouldn't even know you exist. And then in the middle is like the people we like, the people we don't like.

They have we have very slim overlaps and then we call them wrong and us right or vice versa when really it's just another model of the world. It's not mine. And I don't necessarily want that model of the world, but I can respect that your meatsuit pulled in a different 126 bits.

I can respect the process and I can get Oh, okay. Now, the only way to change your mind is to take in different bits of information. That's it. Right? And and in order to take in different bits of information, the information hole has to be open.

If it's not open, there's no new information. And so coaching, when you're coaching someone, you're going to, what did you say? Guide something. Lead, guide, and protect. Lead, guide, and protect.

What you're going to do is you're going to try to get them to to let go of a couple of bits and put in a couple of new bits and then that will have a transformative capac on their on their beingness because it's totally different model.

You have something on the website that I read that also just jumps out at me. Yeah. And it's um when you know that any reality is possible, but not all realities are probable, right?

Based on exactly what I just said. So that's where that's where you're tying that in is saying every reality is possible because of all of billions and trillions of information. It's all there available to us if we can remove those blockages and and and have the brain talk to the legs, so to speak, and have that tune in.

Right. Tune in. Tune in, which is gratitude, which you love. And gratitude has that spike in energy that helps you hone in more than anger does. Right. Right. Right. And then, but not all realities are probable.

Yeah. Because that's the program. You're you're more likely to see the world today the way you saw it yesterday unless you do something different. That's the law of inertia, right? Objects in motion tend to stay in motion and object at rest tend to stay at rest unless acted upon by a huge force.

That's a scientific way of saying you have free will. Right? Every day you wake up, it can be the same day or it can be a different day. That's based on your choice. And and well, you know, if most people don't change because and it's not because they're bad or wrong or losers or anything like that.

It's literally the brain's job. It's the amygdala's job to like keep it the same, right? So, it goes, you know, is this within my band of of comfort? Like, is this within my tolerance level?

Okay, we're good. The minute you step outside of it, the amygdala is like alert, alert, you know, caution, caution, caution. Right? And then that's where free will comes in. You can say, "Hey, brain amigdula, I love you.

Thanks for trying to protect me. I'm not about to walk up a cliff. I'm good. So, I'm going to do this anyway." And then the minute you override that mechanism that's there to protect you, the it the brain throws out that tactic, it's like, "Screw it.

She's going over." So then it flips the switch to plasticity. So now it it flips you into like hyper noticing because now it's in reprogramming mode. Right. So, it's like take in everything. Figure out what's going to get us this stupid goal as fast as possible so we can lock down a process and get back into, you know, security zone, right?

So, it's it's it's reprogramming. So, you make that change and then it's your again you need your free will here to repeat those behaviors until they become dominant. So until they become the comfort zone, uncomfort uncomfortable zone becomes your comfort zone, right?

The new normal, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. And and then it's time for something new, right? So that that's just how we're programmed. But there that's a whole process. People think just getting it once like, you know, that's it.

Boom. I I did it. Yay. It's like you never did it again, right? where whereas a gymnast does a back handspring on the beam 67 million times, right? So that when they're under pressure and their nerves and they're, you know, in second place and they're trying to go in for the win, they don't need to think.

Their body knows exactly where to go. That's a dominant program, right? It's got to be something you can do in the worst circumstances under massive pressure. So therefore crisis anytime a crisis happens and you can execute who you are, your highest self, then you know that's my program.

I'm there. That's where I live. This is my this is where I live. But if a crisis happens and you collapse backwards into an old way of being, well, that's feedback that it wasn't the dominant program.

So then what do you do? You go out and you double down on practicing. You don't give up. That's insane. It it and it I've I've likened this to a and I people don't like this verbiage, but I've got a lizard brain back here and the lizard brain is trying to keep me alive.

Everything you're talking about, it's only it's just keep me alive and so be safe and secure, Eric. Stay inside the So that's why we don't change is because our brain is our brain is trying to keep us alive.

Well, it's literally its job. Or am I still breathing? Okay, I'm doing a good job. Like that's that's its job. Yeah, that's that that's the pro that's the hard code. Keep this meat suit going, which I find insane.

There's like almost like this um cognitive dissonance that happens inside because it's like I want to be safe and secure, but at the same time I'm getting stifled by this boredom. Like there's two things humans don't like.

It's change and and and and uh stagnation. Like those two like it's always yin and yang, right? He's always always in a state of frustration because things aren't changing enough or they're changing too much.

But that's why Maslaw wrote the hierarchy, right? Because like the the the the brain is um you know, it's useful for human sort of perseverance for the brain to keep the mother alive, you know, so it can feed the baby until the baby matures, right?

Like it it's good to have that thing hardwired so that the species can continue. So it it you know like that's an important function.

But then once you kind of got the that sorted and that sorted and now you're you're you know it's not hard to to to get food and be sheltered and whatever then it's like okay well now what then then the the spirit side if you will the heart um data starts to you know well I want to grow right I want to grow.

And so then there's the push and pull. And so it's not wrong, but it's like, well, do I, you know, I hate this this safety first. Well, the says who? How about safety second?

Yeah. Thank you. Sign me up. I'm I'm like I'm sick and tired of be safe. I don't want to be [ __ ] safe. Well, no, I don't want to walk off a cliff, but like, okay.

I mean, until told otherwise, and I'm quoting friends now. Chandler says, until told otherwise, right, I'll be safe. So until you tell me not to be, let's just go with I'm being safe. Okay, good.

Now, next, you know, expansion or connection or whatever you want the value to be. Um when I quit my corporate job, my grandfather who you know in the late 1940s came with his three daughters on a boat with his wife and you know they came to Canada and was perilous and the boat caught on fire and a whole bunch of crap happened.

And so when I quit my corporate job that you know was the reason they risked their lives, he cried. He cried. And and I was like but I don't I didn't understand why he was crying.

I was like, "Dude, like you guys did great. Your daughters went to university. We all went to university. I started my own business. We're good." But he was like, "But you got the golden ticket.

You were working at the corporate job with the, you know, the pension and the blah blah blah." And I was like, you know, hell for me that we have different values, right? So it's evolution.

That's what the, you know, Maslaw and Graves, they were all writing about our evolution. Now, not everybody's evolving at the same time, which is why we have a bit of a quagmire going on in the world right now.

And people don't understand, again, back to respect everybody's model of the world. So, I like NLP and I like timeline therapy and hypnosis because they're simple and they give a real context for 51:0051 minuteshow can this world be what it is.

I don't look out on the world and see something wrong. I look out on the world and see a bunch of feedback and some of that feedback causes me to take different actions than others.

But it it it can't be any other way. Now I don't know maybe you did this. Do you remember pet computers? Like we used to have to program Yes. pet computers. And so I remember, you know, 10 equals Gina 20, you know, 20 go to 10 or something like this.

And it would just my name would go down the screen. And if you didn't do the code right, it didn't work. And if you did the code, you know, and then it there was a GL like Yeah.

So it's basic computer programming, but I remember kind of understanding like the order of operations and how programs work.

And so, you know, if you put if you start a fire like a barbecue and you put a piece of meat on it and then you leave and come back 3 hours later, it's going to be charcoal, not because it's bad or it doesn't believe in itself or their forces are out to get it, but because you left a piece of meat on a fire and the process is that eventually it burns and turns into charcoal.

So, why are you surprised when you get up and you turn on the air quote news, I like to call it the olds because there's nothing new about it. It's all designed to steal your very precious 126 bits of attention.

You get down on yourself, then you put crappy food in your body, and then you don't go to a job you don't want to do. And why are you surprised that at the end of the day, you have no energy and no motivation.

Like, hello, you're running a program called Crap Bill, right? So, turn it around, change something, and the entire day will change and and it you could try to change the circumstances. It it temporarily works sometimes.

But the problem is you got to use so much energy to keep the circumstances doing your bidding that it's much easier to just change yourself and then you can be in any circumstance. It doesn't matter.

You know, life is beautiful. Like, watch the movie. I love what you've got here. I want to read this last these last few lines here what you got on the website and then I want to make sure people know where to go to find out more about you.

But you got first it says first and we could I could talk to you for hours like we could do this for hours. Man, this would be this has been fantastic. But here's the thing I wanted to share with everyone.

It's on and it's on your your website which is uh Gina Milonei Malakone Malakone. Let's go to the mall. Yeah. Gina Malakone. com. It says, "First you need to know what prevents you from accessing your greatness.

Then you need to know how to bring the new reality into existence." I love that. That's it. That's that's what I do when I work with private clients. That's what we do. I love that.

Very It's very intense. It's sort of like 10 12 14 hours tops.

It's over. the greatness you Greatness is the school where I am the curriculum developer and the you know mostly the teacher and is greatness you what what's a URL for that greatness the letterwu. com great that's our school so it's not just me I mean the vision for greatness you you know world domination multiple trainers we're getting there we're getting there we had a bit of a setback in 2020 so we're just uh taking that feedback and rolling it into the new model um but Greatness you is is meant to be an educational entity.

We do our corporate training there. We do our personal development training there. And then ginaolicone. com is really me. It's my work, my coaching, my speaking me. It's me. It's me. It's only me.

No one else can do it. I'm the only Gina Miconee out there. And I'm glad you are because this is [ __ ] awesome. Orginina, as one of my clients said to me the other day, giant.

Awesome. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Yeah. I mean, you know, we we talked for eight seconds and here we are. It's it's the it's the power of serendipity. I think we're going to have you back on the podcast again.

Let's I don't think this is our last meeting. No, it's not at all. Cool. Keep exploring, everyone. Thanks for listening to the Viking Academy podcast. Make sure to leave us your honest feedback by leaving a review on Apple or Spotify, and hit subscribe so you never miss an episode.