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Today, we are exploring personal development, habit-building, and mental resilience. 

We are joined by my friend, lawyer, entrepreneur, and lifelong learner, Beau Atkins. As the founder of Evolve Family Law, Beau has revolutionized how people experience separation and divorce in Canada. But beyond the legal world, his passion for self-improvement and pushing personal limits is what makes this conversation so powerful. 

In this episode, we break down his framework and explore what it really takes to evolve into your best self. Whether you're looking to build resilience, optimize your habits, or reframe your mindset, this conversation is packed with practical insights and inspiration. Plus, you won’t want to miss Beau’s incredible commitment—he recorded this entire episode while walking outside in the freezing winter of Saskatchewan!

Topics We Explore:

• Exploring yourself and personal development
• How Beau changed his relationship with the cold
• Dividing personal growth into quarters (90-day projects)
• Stacking habits for long-term success
• Why IQ doesn’t determine emotional intelligence
• Napoleon Hill’s Invisible Counselors technique

Connect with Beau Atkins: https://evolvelaw.ca/

Learn More about The Viking Academy: https://www.vikingacademy.com/membership

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Episode Transcript:

Hi everyone welcome back to the Viking Academy podcast I'm your host Eric saken and today we have Beau Atkins on the podcast Man Beau and I met through a business coaching program and he taught me something about personal development a.

A framework and a structure that I really wanted to explore and share with you on this podcast now he's a lawyer he's an entrepreneur but he's a lifelong learner um he created a whole new business model for uh divorce law.

So if you someone going through um a divorce or a separation in Canada Beau Atkins is your guy you got to go talk to him evolv la.ca but that's not what we're going to talk about on this podcast what we're.

Talking about is how he does a deep dive into personal development on the mind the body and the spirit there's a framework and a structuring that he has and I learned a lot myself from this podcast um I realized that.

I need to put more systems in place because my willpower doesn't always work when it comes to exploring um it's an incredible journey that you can take and what we find throughout this podcast is that it really comes down to.

You it's about what works for you and you can only find out what works for you if you actually investigate it if you actually explore it and so that's what Beau and I talked about on this podcast so I'm looking.

Forward to you listening and watching uh definitely watch it by the way um you'll see this crazy bastard did the whole podcast walking in the winter in Saskatchewan it's [ __ ] cold over there but he did it anyways anyways.

There you go let's go explore Beau Welcome to the podcast thanks man nice to have be here you know if for those of you that aren't uh watching the video version which by the way we do have uh YouTube channel.

And also on the Viking Academy website you can see the video version of this podcast you'll see that this crazy SOB is actually walking out in the freezing cold and Saskatchewan right now he's doing a Walk and Talk podcast where' you.

Come up with that idea dude a lot of this originates a few years ago I realized so I live in Saskatoon when I'm Beaurn and raised in Calgary um two fairly cold cities uh Saskatoon probably one of the coldest.

In the world and I realized that I Hae the cold or I hated the cold and so one of two things either me continuing to live there was insanity and I needed to move or two I had to change my.

Relationship with the cold um so about two years years ago I started exploring things like ice baths I found uh whm Hof uh and and realized that a lot of it was inside my mind um and and through that process.

Now I've embrac I embrace outdoor walks uh I embrace jumping into the Frozen uh whether I'm jumping into a c tub or an ice bath or or best yet uh the the ocean during the winter months there are not a.

Lot of ocean there in Saskatchewan but you come over to BC man there's a lot of freezing cold water here yeah no I've done that I think the longest I did was 30 minutes in a late October uh at.

Kits beach in Vancouver um that had me Frozen for about two hours yeah there's a question for you so let's here's the thing that I wanted to get into on this podcast is that you know when you and I met.

Uh we met through strategic coach we're both entrepreneurs uh you've got your Law Firm I've got I'm coaching with the accounting firm we've got a lot of similarities we're trying to change the professions but the thing that really struck me.

Was the way that you approached your your personal exploration of yourself right when we're talking about the mind body and spirit and how you're you're you're approaching that um you you you just said you're you changed your relationship with the.

Cold like you said okay I got to change this so you're actually leaning right into the [ __ ] like you're going straight at it what made you decide to be that way were you like that always as a kid.

Or like growing up or is this something that just you've developed I know I've always been optimistic and more positive uh in my think uh but I think a lot of the tools uh a lot of them are ones that.

I got from strategic coach so you look at the uh you'll know the proper term the age expander or or lifetime exper lifetime extender yeah where um essentially you just work your way up and all of a sudden you've got.

People who are Desiring to live till 200 years old um it's just a change in mindset that shift in mindset and I realized I could probably do that with almost every aspect of my life so this was something you actually.

Learned to do later on in life this wasn't you had a good attitude but you didn't necessarily know how to apply a change in Attitude to something that needed to be changed I hated the cold for almost 40 years um.

And and really for the first first 20 years you don't have a choice right you're at you're economics limit you the fact that you're dependent on your parents you're limited to where you live but everyone still [ __ ] and.

Moans about the cold and uh it's tiring it thought exhausting for me to look outside and say oh another cold day guess I'll stay inside um and and so I just that wasn't serving me anymore and so um just by.

That mindset shift I mean it's it's given me back nine months or or winter since the Saskatchewan winters are long um so if you don't like the cold uh not many options other than uh drowning your Sorrows inside yeah well I'll.

Tell you one thing that I can guarantee that the soul back and family is probably never moving somewhere cold like that because my wife hates the cold I'm full Viking right I'll go jump in the ocean I'll I'll you know.

And but it takes a lot of it still takes a lot of mental uh toughness to actually pull it off and do it I started doing you know cold plunges uh about two two and a half years a ago I.

Started doing them on a regular basis and still to this day I have to force myself to do it and it's really kind of cool like you how you can when you change the way you look at something the thing.

You look at changes that's like that Dr Wayne Dyer quote he goes when you change the way you look at the world the world that you look at changes and you've just proven that when it comes to your relationship with.

The cold and that's what I you know and and and the one thing that struck me when we were chatting was just how deep into an idea or a thought or an exploration that you go you don't just go halfast.

Like you don't like like what I want the listeners to understand is tell me tell us a little bit about how you go about your year you talked about these quarters and these these indepth quarters like kind of frame that.

Out and so everybody kind of understands why I really wanted to have this podcast with you because I found that fascinating well so I mean every well-run business operates on 90-day quarters a strategic coach operates on quarters and we're always.

Coming back recalibrating every quarter um we Implement EOS in uh the entrepreneurs operating system in my business and so same thing there's a quarterly uh goal we we hit rocks and I realized that that same methodology could be applied to.

Me personally and in fact there's a lot of science behind that 90-day specifics of of a time frame it's long enough to get [ __ ] done but it's short enough that you don't lose sight of those goals and you.

Keep on achieving then you actually get some traction and so I uh I was going through a journey where I'm just like I'm sure you've experienced and and almost every other uh serious entrepreneur I know has experienced where I'm picking.

Up [ __ ] everything I can read and I'm just reading and and to the point where at some point it's like what am I reading for uh most of it I'm not applying I'm just like taking it in and.

Not doing anything with it um I voiced my frustration at the time I was in strategic coach on the virtual uh side and uh during one of the breakout sessions uh one of the other participants he was a life coach.

Out of New Jersey I forget his name um but he he mentioned to me that he breaks his reading and his learning his personal learning into quarters and so he'll actually design a curriculum for himself so I said what a.

Fantastic idea and uh since that time that would have been in uh probably I think that was September so Q3 of 2022 and I've just been following that since so I'll have a quarter where I focus on sleep where I'll.

Read Matt Walker's uh why we sleep and Michael braus and um all of these other fantastic authors and studies and and everything and so I'll do a deep dive on sleep and by the end of that quarter I'm almost an.

Expert to the point where I now actually have tools and I've figured out what I'm going to measure and how I'm going to assess things so I can even give myself a grade at the end uh with with all the.

Learning and growth that I had um and so each quarter I'll tackle something a little bit different uh so for instance this quarter I've determined uh budgeting and finances are not my strong point so that's what I'm focusing on I'm.

Rereading uh Morgan howel's the psychology of money um Scott Galloway has some stuff I'm going to I'm listening to one of his books now going to sort of read that and I'm going to dive into that and solve what's currently.

A bit of a pain point in my life so when you do these quarters you you know when I set up a quarter for the business I have like three goals I always set up three minimum maximum three three is.

A maximum because there's a magic in threes you're not even putting three things to learn in a quarter you're just going to one which is I I I find that incredibly powerful where you and it becomes a project too this.

Is this is another thing that I've been kind of mulling around in my head and I'm I'm curious on your thoughts on this too is that for me I find that when I'm in a process State like I'm just doing.

The same thing over and over again every day and it just becomes like a mundane process I lose all interest if it's a project that I'm trying to get done and it becomes this goal and this thing that I want.

To get done then all of a sudden I have energy and I'm engaged because there's a start point and an end point it's like there's a start point and an end point like thinking about my life and going hey I've.

Only got how many ever years left all of a sudden like when my wife and I talked about my daughter Isa she's uh she's 12 she's got five years left in in high in school before she graduates and she's already.

Told this when she graduates from high school she's getting the heck out she hates schools right so we said [ __ ] we got 5 years left so now 5 years all of a sudden becomes tangible and now I'm like.

Okay what do we want to do in those next five years it becomes solid right and so I really like that project thought process and and that's what you've done with your personal development is is created a project around it.

And said this quarter the project is my finances or this quarter my project is my sleeping and and it becomes super focused and there's a start and an end point so it doesn't feel like the forever ever plan and it.

It for for me it feels like you would be motivated through the whole thingz you know oh [ __ ] I only got one more week left in this quarter here I go like I better get you know there's something.

Else I wanted to finish on this one project yeah it's it's exactly that it's it's like um I guess a good analogy is University when we went through University we took some shitty courses that we slogged through and we're like.

I got another two weeks I'm gon to get this done and then I'm done with it and and we just went through it so I I felt that in some of my quarters where I'm like I am so done with.

This topic I want to move on to the next thing um but the awesome part with it that you and I have talked about this we've got shiny object syndrome we will chase squirrels down all sorts of rabbit holes um.

But if if I'm in the middle of my uh sleep quarter where that's what I'm focusing on and all of a sudden a shiny new thing or book about Fitness or nutrition or emotional intelligence or whatever else comes along I.

Get to park that and I get to say okay that's going to be my class next semester or so it because 90 days is such a short time and and that's another reason I don't make resolutions because I'm I'm almost.

Making a resolution every quarter because it's short enough that if you abandon it and it doesn't go anywhere after 90 days you don't feel so defeated because there's it's a calibration at that 90-day period um the other awesome thing with.

The 90 days is um in my experience it's enough time for me to develop lasting habits so my sleep uh quarter was Q1 of 2023 I've kept most of those habits um some don't serve me and I don't so I.

Don't really supplement for Sleep um but they've losted and so each quarter I find that I'm creating these lasting stacked Hobbits that are just making it easier and easier right and so that was the other part of the 90 days.

Is that it's it's short enough that it keeps you and it has a definite start and an end date that's not too long so it keeps you motivated to to to do it it also once you have 90 days under.

Your belt it creates that habit it's like just for example like in the recovery movement of Alcoholics Anonymous they for newcomers when you come in the door they say do 90 meetings in 90 days they say do 90 meetings in.

90 days and there's science behind that because I got a psychology degree as well like what we're talking about here it creates a habit and then you you you can it'll actually last a long lot longer so what you're doing.

Is you're stacking habits upon habits but your sleep habit is still in act even though you're not super hyperfocused on it in this quarter because it's not the project of the quarter but it's still sticking with you right I mean.

They basically become automatic let's talk about the Sleep habit what did you what were what were some of the ahas you got from doing the Deep dive into sleep and what are some of the Sleep habits that you're actually doing.

Right now oh definitely the the sort of the set and setting so uh making sure that when you prioritize sleep so um I'm fairly uh strict when it definitely as strict when it comes to sleep as I am uh wakeup.

Time so it's I'm in bed by a certain time and usually it's about 10 11 o'clock uh I will Irish goodbye wherever I'm at and everybody knows if you if you can't see Beau he's already left he's in bed uh.

And and it was getting getting used to that and and comfortable with that that took a little bit um but then the other thing I learned uh a lot um Andrew cuber talks a lot about it on his podcast but.

Uh the stuff with the circadium Rhythm and and getting direct sunlight during the day how important that is uh not getting so much blue light in the evenings um just diving into a lot of that science uh inside bedroom got.

Rid of the TV got rid of uh my phone is not charged in the room because it's I'm not strong enough to resist that Temptation yet uh and so if it's on my nightstand I'll scroll like I said I'm I.

Don't yet have the discipline to control myself so I have to uh remove those things the thing I wanted to comment about that is I found that I don't have very good willpower like I I have this thing that I.

Share with my coaching clients all the time I say willpower doesn't work systems work but willpower doesn't work because some and it's all it's proven in the in the literature that eventually you will not be able to sustain willpower over.

The long run your energy levels are low or high or whatever so you have to create Beauundaries and restrictions around yourself so that it doesn't you don't cheat right you like if you don't want to you know we say you.

Know if you don't want to get a haircut don't hang out at the barber shop right and so well and James Clear uh wrote an awesome piece on good habits and bad habits for good habits you want to make them.

Easy does sayic havoc's book hav yeah so for a good habit you want a good habit make it easy so take out your gym stuff and put it beside your bed so it's there when you wake up if you want.

A bad habit to to get rid of a bad habit make it difficult so I have zero discipline around potato chips uh un both that means my 15-year-old will never have potato chips in my house um they're not in the.

Pantry they're not anywhere because when he's gone whether he's at school or at his mom those chips will be gone uh pretty shortly after so again I'd love to develop the willpower but until I get to that point I just.

Have to uh create those systems or processes that will guide me to success I think the interesting thing about this is for each individual person and what I'm hearing for you is that you figured out what works for you and.

What doesn't work for you one of the prefaces or the ethos of the Viking Academy is go explore your figure out what works for you like when you hear these gurus saying oh this is the way it works for everybody.

I think that's a bunch of [ __ ] I really do I think there's some generalities and there's some Universal truths out there but when it comes to you as an individual you need to find out what works right for.

You and what works doesn't work for you like some people they're on a full uh you know their full meat diet other people are vegetarians this one or this like everybody has a different physiology I think in the mental space.

It's all the same too the physical and the spiritual space like we're all different so you got to figure out what works for you but it's interesting is you're sharing this man I'm like oh yeah potato chips I'm [ __.

] like you get the bag Miss Vicky's I'm toast this Vicky's crunchy C like done I'm done the whole bag will be destroyed the other thing too for me is ice cream I know if ice cream is one of my.

Like I moose tracks ice cream if anybody's had that before it's it's deadly so if I have it in the house it's it's I'll eat it so I've found that I have to have it not around me and that's for.

Me that's worked and that's the systems thing so I really think I do believe the universal truth is that willpower can only get you so far and everybody says you know you need mental toughness you need to be strong and.

This is all true but you need to I found for me I have to build a system around it so that I can actually be consistent and and get it across the goal line oh totally we're not all David goggin.

I don't have that sort of a fortitude to power through it so oh yeah and that and that's the thing is we get pumped up especially on social media it's always about you got to have more willpower you gotta go.

Strong go hard go hard go I don't know about you man but eventually I get tired and I gotta have a nap right like I need down time and I found especially for my willpower unless it's fascinating and motivating to.

Me I won't do and that's why I love how you've set up these 90-day these quarterly goal settings and these projects for yourself um because it's it's all the things we just talked about there's it's a good time frame it.

Creates The Habit keeps you fascinated motivated keeps distractions away because it's like all of a sudden a new idea or you know shiny red thing comes in you're not looking at it um what are so tell me what are the.

Quarters can you outline what you've done in in in some of your recorders I don't know if you can remember all of them but yeah yeah so I A lot of times uh one thing that I've found uh really helps.

Me um Stephen CV's uh author of The Seven Habits Highly Effective People his seventh habit is to sharpen this off and essentially there's that old uh I think it was it's attributed to Abraham Lincoln Lincoln if you give me six.

Hours to cut down a tree I'll spend the first four hours sharpening the ax um and so I'm typically looking to start a year with something that's going to improve my focus and ability to hit my goals in future quarters.

So every Q1 I'll usually pick up a habit look there's cherl stgs The Power of Habit there's uh Atomic habits we spoke about um I'm going to read BJ fog's tiny habits this quarter um and and it just gives some.

Of that foundation on tips and tricks I can do to make sure it sticks um but some of the things I've worked on for one quarter I'm I'm a divorce attorney and I wanted to populate a library for my clients.

Who are going through Separation on all these books that can help them through their through their process um now on a personal note at the time I was going through separation with a a girl I was with for about 3.

Years um and so I was like uh sort of smiling through tears that I'm I'm doing this for the good of my clients but it was it was uh had had a secondary benefit of helping me process it as well.

Um and uh so that was one um I read somewhere so a lot of times I'll read something in a book or re see something at a conference and I'll say that's going to be my focus for next quarter so.

AI was a focus of a quarter um just exploring the history and and everything behind that um I I saw some sessions on psychedelics which fascinated me just the opening of neural Pathways and and all of those the things that.

Can open for creativity so I'm like that sounds like something cool to dive into so I started reading everything I could about uh about psychedelics from Albert Hoffman who discovered LSD he wrote a book called LSD my problem child uh.

Santa Sol gr sort of there's a whole host of um a ton of resources you can explore into that um emotional intelligence that was a big one uh I'd heard of uh Daniel Goldman's book book called emotional intelligence but I.

Never really appreciated how significant it is Pat Lon who wrote uh the five dysfunctions of a team uh and he's one of the authors that Gino wickman's traction is based on a lot of his Concepts and so you see them.

Through strategic coach as well what was that guy's name again in the book Patrick lenion Patrick lenion yeah he also wrote a book called the advantage and in the advantage uh although I don't think he specifically discusses emotional intelligence maybe.

He does uh but that seemed to be the Trux of it he's saying how significant of a difference it can make if you're the leaders of organizations have emotional intelligence and and one of the things I discovered is whereas IQ.

Is generally considered to be fairly uh static it doesn't change that much uh there's not much you can do to enhance it although I don't I don't know if I believe that uh they do say changing your emotional intelligence is.

Easy uh it's just again developing certain habits one of those habits is uh increasing your emotional granularity so increasing the the words you use to everyone's seen that emotion wheel um showing that you've got got sad happy mad sort of.

The ADW in the middle which are like the basic Elementary emotion words but if you don't if you don't go a layer deeper you're not going to be as emotionally intelligent and it's going to be tougher for you to actually.

Place your finger on how you feel and so I found that that that was a super influential quarter for me and very beneficial to how I am not only as uh as a leader in my company but as a father.

As a friend as as a human um and so a lot of it's just when when you dial in with Focus I I find for myself I get so much more out of it that's awesome so I was just writing.

These down so every Q1 you start with like you focus on habit like something to do with habit basically it that would be sort of the minor so you mentioned that I just focus on one thing sometimes I'll have uh.

A mixed Focus so the The Habit book accompanies uh the other so like I said I'm although I'm focusing on finance I'll read a habit book to supplement it because it all almost always I mean my budgeting and my finances.

I'm going to have to create some habits right so foundational research uh and information will likely be invaluable you said something at the beginning of this which I think is really poignant it needs to be really stressed on here after.

Spending a quarter going deep into some one subject you're almost like an expert in it because that's the one thing I've found for you know the the 10,000 hour rule like if you really want to know something you got to.

Spend 10,000 hours on it but I find that as an entrepreneur and someone who's constantly growing and exploring myself I have thin understanding of stuff across a huge Spectrum like there's a big swwa there's a lot of there's a lot.

Of width but there's no depth right so there's this width but the depth comes in when I'm when I really deep dive into something right and so you know for me the the side that I've really deep dived in it.

It's the spirituality side right you know the Quran the bag of the CBR Bible the you know the teachings of Alcoholics and like there's all these deep when you go super deep you get more richness out of it but it's.

It's not it's having the the the structure in place which is what you've done is creating a structure so that you don't have to rely on your willpower to have you go deep in a subject you said no this quarter.

I'm going deep on this and so you just do it and you go deep and by the time you're finished the project you have a very deep understanding of that not only a mental understanding is that you've actually gone and.

Applied it and that's the other thing I found really uh cool when we were first talking about it you were said I've gone deep into reading about all micro doing and psilocybin and all this Stu but you're actually practicing it.

Too totally yeah yeah and a lot of times that's it's trying to figure out how can I apply some of these lessons how can I uh sort of experiment on myself for some of this stuff so the Sleep uh quarter.

Was a perfect example of that is as i' learned something I'd try it some things worked some things didn't uh and and so I just kept what did and and sort of uh parked what whatever did um but it's uh.

Yeah it's it's just been super helpful for me you mentioned uh or discussed me becoming an expert um I don't think I don't think I've become an expert in any of the things I've studied in the court but I've damn.

Sure found out who the experts are and one of my biggest unlocks in the last year was figuring out a way to take the information I've got in terms of who these experts are and uh and and really harnessing that.

Um Napoleon Hill in in thinking Grow Rich talks about invisible counselors uh I think Thomas Edison Henry Ford Abraham Lincoln some were alive some were dead but essentially the concept is they'd be like his board of directors who he would.

Imagine and consult with before he made some decisions um well now thanks to the power of a I you can create your own invisible counselors or your own board of directors so if I'm I'll go back to the Sleep uh.

Quarter um Michael braus Andrew hubman Matt walker uh Peter AA there's there's a ton of people who know way more than I could ever hope to about sleep who I can populate on an AI board and say I want this.

Board of directors and this is going to be my sleep board of directors and then I can plug in my data and say this is how I'm sleeping uh blah blah blah if I have any questions I have access to.

The smartest Minds who have ever tackled the the problem of sleep um and but I can do that with every subject that I cover and so I can have a psychedelic word of of directors you're talking spirituality you want Bill.

Wilson on your board of directors done it's some some typing uh you could put him in in a room at the same table as Buddha and Jesus right and there's enough out there that now you've got a spirituality board you.

Know I think you've you've you've uncovered a really incredible not rule but a concept here is that there's so much noise out there there's so much [ __ ] noise on all these gurus telling you all these things to do.

And it's you you said to you have figured out who the experts are not who the people think they're an expert or they think they're a guru and they're I I call it you know it's dangerous it's like a bunch.

Of little children running around with handguns somebody's going to get hurt right cuz you don't know who the experts are but that's it's a well-known fact when you look at someone like Napoleon Hill he was like groundbreaking uh you know.

How to win friends and influence people that was a huge book that was massive it's impacted so many people that's a fact right right to actually get access to him you've just said go go to the AI and now you.

Have access to that expert instead of going onto the internet and whoever is showing up on your social media feed who's got the shiniest you know lead magnet that hey order right now and you can make everything you want in.

15 days blah blah blah you like Guy full of [ __ ] you can actually shortcut that and go directly to the experts and I would imagine with the AI it'll start to learn who you are who Beau is and.

Says okay well this is what your board of directors needs to change the way they give you advice so that it fits Beau and who Beau is because he's an individual who's different than Eric oh totally yeah and and that's.

One thing I've realized plugging all this stuff into uh chat GP and and leaning on it uh there's a certain prompt you can put in there saying you know me pretty well now that based on all our conversations uh tell.

Me about my blind spots and and it'll list all those and and then you can prompt further and say be blunt and and let me have it and that was one of the things that uh I got back was I.

Do too much [ __ ] I need to [ __ ] slow down I could have told you that yeah but you know what I see that in the same I I I uh I look at myself in the mirror.

And go you need to slow down Eric and normally what happens is the universe knows when I need to slow down because it just knocks me on my ass like that's for me I go go go go go bang down.

I'm I'm down and then I go okay well obviously I'm supposed to take a rest now like especially when you get really sick when you get really sick that's your body going okay I'm knocking you down you're done but I.

Think that's one thing it doesn't see is it doesn't see that the work see the work that we put in um so we are doing things like whether it's yoga or breath work or float tanks or any of those things.

To sort of rejuvenate um I found lot of those things to be really helpful um I've I've been doing this thing in August where just like I do for most things I'll go on a deep [ __ ] dive so.

Uh last August and it just happens to be be a month that I don't have a lot going on in terms of conferences and I'm in the city uh so last uh last year I did about 60 hours in a.

Float tank as the deprivation chamber my longest consecutive was about 5 and a half hours um but it was like a lot and then this year I did the same amount of time just practicing yoga so the the most uh.

I did five classes in a day but it was about 60 hours of yoga by the time the month was over and I dive deep into it and uh I feel like I'm getting a Year's worth of uh sort of.

The the restoration a year worth of benefit after doing one month of of Deep dive and and I usually continue it not at that obsessive amount um but it's really gotten me into it and then I create a habit from.

There what I what I really picked up from you on our conversations and what I'm picking up from right now is this you've got an energy that pulls you into those things like do you find there's more of a pull.

Or a push that happens for B do you know what I mean by that in terms of when it's something that's really like it's pulling you into it or you're pushing yourself into it like what where's the where is it.

There for you I think it becomes a bit of both um but I definitely consider my curiosity a super power um because if I'm curious about something and I'm I become engaged then it's it's like cyclical you you won't stop.

Me I will uh obsessively push in that direction um so yeah I think it's I think there's a push pull um and a lot of that's the systems that are created the habits that I formed you know and that that.

Curiosity is something that um you know I share with all the people that I coach all the time it is that when you're working with someone be really curious super curious you want to find out as much as you can.

About that person so that you can figure out how you can help them that's got to serve you incredibly well in the law realm that you're in with dealing with divorce and separation and being super curious into who the person.

Is the more we can be curious about one another and find out what really makes that person take the more you can realize how you can serve them right 100% the curiosity and being an Explorer this ties right.

Into the Viking Academy again this is why I saw that connection between you and me it's like that Curiosity and that exploration and that the Vikings were they were in a cold [ __ ] climate just like you're in right.

Now that was the [ __ ] and so what they did is they went and tried to find Greener path so they went over to England to find you know fertile lands so that they could grow crops and and and.

That was their main thing they were farmers and Traders they were trying to find newer lands now when they went over they did did some heinous [ __ ] right because they're n nasty bastard but but at their core they.

Were explorers and curious there's this other concept that I've just kind of been mulling over lately and I'm curious to hear your your thoughts on this is that the Curiosity and explor exploring yourself doing the exploration that you've done in.

Yourself is what creates meaning in our lives it's not the other way around it's like well what's the meaning of life well you've got to go engage with it when you go and you're curious and you engage that actually creates.

The meaning as opposed to sitting back and going well what's the meaning of life well the meaning of life go engage in it and you will then find the meaning do you do is that happen for you oh 100% And.

I think um more than that it refines the meaning so you might get to a point where you've sort of found your North Star um but again I can't remember it was definitely a Dan suvan book uh where he talks.

About having different like points that you try to if if you're just looking I think it it might have been Gap in the game where he's talking about different checkpoints all the W well when you're doing this you see your.

North Star so you're going in that direction um but sometimes you get off path and it can really help to refine what those goals and what that purpose is and I've definitely found through the work that I've done I've been.

Able to really refine what my purpose is it it's almost like we we need I've said this before humans are the only species on the planet that don't know why they're here we're the only species on the planet everything else.

Doesn't have a problem the birds are doing the birds thing the dogs are being dogs they're licking their balls right and the you know the the deer are just being deer and you know they're all the trees that I'm looking.

In the background they are just doing what they do humans are the only ones the only species on the entire planet that doesn't know why we're here and that becomes the exciting part that becomes part of the Adventure that becomes.

The excitement is like what is it we don't [ __ ] know and anybody who stands there and goes I know the meaning of life yeah well they're full of [ __ ] because there's been yet to be anybody that.

Really has figured it out that's where the fun comes in that's where the excitement that's where the energy is is is go explore go be curious go figure [ __ ] out go explore yourself and you're like dude when we.

Met and you told me about these four quarters and how You' go super deep in into that on that personal side I was like holy [ __ ] if there isn't someone who actually encompasses and Embraces the ethos of the.

Viking Academy more than Beau I don't know who the [ __ ] it is dude I'm so like I I'm so excited about this because I'm going to readjust like we're recording this January 2nd and so there's the next the.

Next quarter man I'm gonna come up with a plan here and say okay what am I going to Deep dive into for this quarter personally because I've already got my business go quarter figured out I already know that but the.

Personal stuff man you've got me thinking now I'm going to do that well and and the cool thing I know you were mentioning you're on EOS as well right yeah the cool thing with that is you can even create your.

Own L10 so I've got I I'll have a personal L10 where I look like a crazy person in my office on a Saturday nobody's there so it's I'm there on Saturday talking to myself talking about the Segways talking about uh.

The to-dos I set up talking about my rock and and going through that process keeping the scorecard updated um and so it I mean Gino Wickman wrote traction for businesses but I'm of a view it can apply to absolutely everybody.

Um and and especially on that personal side yeah and for those of you who don't know exactly what we're talking about it sounds like Beau and I are talking in tongues here EOS is entrepreneurial operating system and so it's a.

It's a it's a methodology by which you set up your quarterly goals your your 10-year fiveyear or 10 year threeyear one-year goals comes down to quarters and then it breaks it down all the way to the week and so an.

L10 is a level 10 meeting which is a weekly meeting which you have with your team and to make sure that you're you're gaining traction that's one of the books that he wrote which is fantastic called traction you're applying that.

Business methodology to your personal life and that's how you're gaining Traction in your own life is that you're keeping yourself accountable to yourself again looking like a crazy bastard talking to yourself in the in the boardroom you have to record.

You know what you should do record it record the meeting and then put that back in the chat GPT and say okay tell me what did I miss in this meeting yeah I haven't thought about that I think that would.

Be awesome then it's uh at least I'm not talking to myself I'm also talking to I'm talking to the machine well I I yeah I I call it the committee of [ __ ] me myself and I it's G got.

To be I got to be pretty careful about that I got to make sure I'm bouncing it off of other people well this is what I love about this now is that you and I were on the same wavelength in.

Terms of exploration and and and being curious um you've taken it to a whole new level dude you've inspired me to up my game so um you know for those listeners out there I want you to think about this is.

That you know setting up goals for yourself is great but if you limit the time frame to say here's the start Point here's the end date here's what I'm going to get done limitation is your friend and B is the.

Example of that taking that limitation saying this quarter I'm going to just go deep on this one thing and by the smile on your face even though you're outside in the [ __ ] cold which you hate um it's showing.

That it works yeah and and I think there's an important uh point that can't be missed is not to compare yourself to anybody else I don't nobody should be comparing themselves to how I do things because it works for me.

It might not work for somebody else um the best thing I found about these whether it's the my quarterly curriculum or the level 10 meetings that I have with myself is my comparison is always with myself yesterday it's I I'm.

Not looking at anybody else um that's for me a quick way to drive myself insane um so it's always just comparing myself quarter after quarter week after week because it's your life nobody else's dude I don't think there's a better.

Spot to end the podcast right there thank you so much awesome no this was great thanks for having me okay Vikings go explore thanks for listening to the Viking Academy podcast make sure to leave us your on us feedback by.

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